17 May
2007
17 May
'07
10:16 a.m.
Now that makes a lot more sense.
So PMI memory choice is: (2 Max)
MSV11-JD M8637-D 1 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
MSV11-JE M8637-E 2 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
The CPU choice is:
Module Type Speed RAM ROM LTC SLU
------ ---- ----- --- --- --- ---
M8190 KDJ11-B
M8190-AD KDJ11-BA 18
M8190-AB KDJ11-BB 15 0 Y Yes
2
M8190-AC KDJ11-BD
M8190-AZ KDJ11-BF 18 0 Y Yes
2
So.....
1. Plug in one or two memory cards.
2. Plug in a CPU card
3. Insert Bus Grant cards (Which end of the slot?)
4. Insert in Slot nine a M9302 UNIBUS TERMINATOR and a M9713 MIN. LOAD
MODULE
5. Now we would have:
Slot 1 M8190-Ax KDJ11-Bx 11/83 - 11/84 CPU Card
Slot 2 M8637-X MSV11-Jx PMI Memory
Slot 3 M8637-X MSV11-Jx PMI Memory
Slot 4 M8191 KTJ11-B Unibus controller
Slot 5 M7547 TUK50-BB Tape controller (Bus grant as
well?)
Slot 7 G7273 NPG and BUS Grant
/ Double Grant
Slot 8 G7273 NPG and BUS Grant
/ Double Grant
Slot 9 M9302 UNIBUS TERMINATOR
Slot 9 M9713 MIN. LOAD MODULE
6. Connect up a terminal (I have several 420's) to the SLU connector.
7. Connect a TK50 drive (Which I have) to its controller.
8. Check for correct boot proms on the CPU card.
9. Switch on. Wait for smoke to clear. Look for output on the terminal.
10. Insert a bootable tape. (Which I don't have yet)
All those in favor of this config say Aye!
All those against email me quick, before I do anything dangerous!!
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 17 May 2007 10:07
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc: Rod Smallwood
Subject: Re: The Last of The Line
"Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> skrev:
Well I think I understand the list.
But for clarity's sake here's the problem again.
1. I have a number of PDP-11/94's
2. The first three slots are Quad Qbus 3. The missing KDJ11-EB would
have been in slot one 4. Slot two has a M9714 ALT PWR FOR KDJ11-E in
it.
5 Slot three is empty.
6. Slot four is a Unibus slot and has a M8191 KTJ11-B Unibus
controller in it
7 Slot five has a M7547 TUK50-BB Tape controller in it.
8. Slot's Six,seven and eight are empty 9. Slot nine has a M9302
(UNIBUS TERMINATOR) at one end and a M9713 (MIN. LOAD MODULE) at the
other.
"Your mission Mr Phelps (Should you accept it) is to replace the
missing KDJ11-EB with the lowest cost plug in alternative that will
run"
The winner gets (for the cost of the shipping) a 11/94 system unit box
as described above.
Sorry, but your options are very few.
The first three slots of that backplane are not Q-bus, but a special
adaptation of it for the PMI memory and nothing else. You cannot use
Q-bus memory on it, and no other Q-bus options either (atleast according
to the manuals, I haven't tried in real life. I could check out if any
signals differ, if it were real important).
Second, the Unibus adapter required some special signals from the
CPU-board as well.
Your options are basically the 11/8x and 11/9x CPU boards. No others
will originate the signals for the Unibus adapter required. Memory wise
only PMI memory boards will do.
For an 11/94, all memory are on the CPU board, so for those, the two PMI
slots should always be empty.
To make the power supply happy, you normally have some bus loads on
them.
If you go for the 11/84 instead, you also need to find PMI memory
boards.
That's the CPU/memory part of your system. You then need to configure
the Unibus correctly, which means you need unibus grant cards in
theright place of all empty slots. You probably also want some disk
controller in that system.
Johnny
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17 May
17 May
4:34 p.m.
Rod Smallwood wrote:
Now that makes a lot more sense.
So PMI memory choice is: (2 Max)
MSV11-JD M8637-D 1 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
MSV11-JE M8637-E 2 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
The CPU choice is:
Module Type Speed RAM ROM LTC SLU
------ ---- ----- --- --- --- ---
M8190 KDJ11-B
M8190-AD KDJ11-BA 18
M8190-AB KDJ11-BB 15 0 Y Yes
2
M8190-AC KDJ11-BD
M8190-AZ KDJ11-BF 18 0 Y Yes
2
So.....
1. Plug in one or two memory cards.
2. Plug in a CPU card
3. Insert Bus Grant cards (Which end of the slot?)
4. Insert in Slot nine a M9302 UNIBUS TERMINATOR and a M9713 MIN. LOAD
MODULE
5. Now we would have:
Slot 1 M8190-Ax KDJ11-Bx 11/83 - 11/84 CPU Card
Slot 2 M8637-X MSV11-Jx PMI Memory
Slot 3 M8637-X MSV11-Jx PMI Memory
Slot 4 M8191 KTJ11-B Unibus controller
Slot 5 M7547 TUK50-BB Tape controller (Bus grant as
well?)
Slot 7 G7273 NPG and BUS Grant
/ Double Grant
Slot 8 G7273 NPG and BUS Grant
/ Double Grant
Slot 9 M9302 UNIBUS TERMINATOR
Slot 9 M9713 MIN. LOAD MODULE
6. Connect up a terminal (I have several 420's) to the SLU connector.
7. Connect a TK50 drive (Which I have) to its controller.
8. Check for correct boot proms on the CPU card.
9. Switch on. Wait for smoke to clear. Look for output on the terminal.
10. Insert a bootable tape. (Which I don't have yet)
All those in favor of this config say Aye!
All those against email me quick, before I do anything dangerous!!
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 17 May 2007 10:07
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc: Rod Smallwood
Subject: Re: The Last of The Line
"Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> skrev:
PMI memory goes in slots 1 and 2, CPU goes in 3
joe lang
Well I think I understand the list.
But for clarity's sake here's the problem again.
1. I have a number of PDP-11/94's
2. The first three slots are Quad Qbus 3. The missing KDJ11-EB would
have been in slot one 4. Slot two has a M9714 ALT PWR FOR KDJ11-E in
it.
5 Slot three is empty.
6. Slot four is a Unibus slot and has a M8191 KTJ11-B Unibus
controller in it
7 Slot five has a M7547 TUK50-BB Tape controller in it.
8. Slot's Six,seven and eight are empty 9. Slot nine has a M9302
(UNIBUS TERMINATOR) at one end and a M9713 (MIN. LOAD MODULE) at the
other.
"Your mission Mr Phelps (Should you accept it) is to replace the
missing KDJ11-EB with the lowest cost plug in alternative that will
run"
The winner gets (for the cost of the shipping) a
11/94 system unit box
as described above.
Sorry, but your options are very few.
The first three slots of that backplane are not Q-bus, but a special
adaptation of it for the PMI memory and nothing else. You cannot use
Q-bus memory on it, and no other Q-bus options either (atleast according
to the manuals, I haven't tried in real life. I could check out if any
signals differ, if it were real important).
Second, the Unibus adapter required some special signals from the
CPU-board as well.
Your options are basically the 11/8x and 11/9x CPU boards. No others
will originate the signals for the Unibus adapter required. Memory wise
only PMI memory boards will do.
For an 11/94, all memory are on the CPU board, so for those, the two PMI
slots should always be empty.
To make the power supply happy, you normally have some bus loads on
them.
If you go for the 11/84 instead, you also need to find PMI memory
boards.
That's the CPU/memory part of your system. You then need to configure
the Unibus correctly, which means you need unibus grant cards in
theright place of all empty slots. You probably also want some disk
controller in that system.
Johnny
18 May
18 May
10:42 a.m.
joe lang wrote:
PLEASE! Trim your replies.
Peace... Sridhar
That's the
CPU/memory part of your system. You then need to configure
the Unibus correctly, which means you need unibus grant cards in
theright place of all empty slots. You probably also want some disk
controller in that system.
PMI memory goes in slots 1 and 2, CPU goes in 3 
7:17 p.m.
Rod Smallwood wrote:
Now that makes a lot more sense.
So PMI memory choice is: (2 Max)
MSV11-JD M8637-D 1 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
MSV11-JE M8637-E 2 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
Jerome Fine replies:
I am not absolutely positive, BUT the probability is VERY
high that the above two PMI memory boards are ONLY for the
Qbus. I believe that you must use either the MSV11-JB or
the MSV11-JC within the PDP-11/84 system.
It is probably confusing, but the CPU is the KDJ11-BF which
is used in BOTH the PDP-11/83 (which I have and the memory
used is the MSV11-JD or the MSV11-JE) and the PDP-11/84
which you have. If you can find a KDJ11-BF along with two
MSV11-JC PMI memory boards, the cost will likely be much
less than a PDP-11/94 CPU.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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19 May
19 May
7:37 a.m.
On 19/05/2007 00:17, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Nope, the -JD and -JE work in both. However, the -JB and -JC only work
in Unibus systems such as the 11/84.
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University of York
Rod Smallwood
wrote:
Now that makes a lot more sense.
So PMI memory choice is: (2 Max)
MSV11-JD M8637-D 1 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
MSV11-JE M8637-E 2 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
Jerome Fine replies:
I am not absolutely positive, BUT the probability is VERY
high that the above two PMI memory boards are ONLY for the
Qbus. I believe that you must use either the MSV11-JB or
the MSV11-JC within the PDP-11/84 system.
10:23 p.m.
Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 19/05/2007
00:17, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Rod
Smallwood wrote:
Now that makes a lot more sense.
So PMI memory choice is: (2 Max)
MSV11-JD M8637-D 1 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
MSV11-JE M8637-E 2 MB ECC PDP-11/84 or PDP-11/83
Jerome Fine replies:
I am not absolutely positive, BUT the probability is VERY
high that the above two PMI memory boards are ONLY for the
Qbus. I believe that you must use either the MSV11-JB or
the MSV11-JC within the PDP-11/84 system.
20 May
20 May
6:36 a.m.
On 20/05/2007 03:23, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
> Pete Turnbull wrote:
> Nope, the -JD and -JE work in both. However, the
-JB and -JC only
> work in Unibus systems such as the 11/84.
Good to know. Can anyone else confirm having used
either the
MSV11-JD or the MSV11-JE with a PDP-11/84 system?
I have read the opposite, but I certainly bow to your much more
extensive hardware experience. However, have you ever actually used
an MSV11-JE board in a PDP-11/84 system?
No, I've used an 11/84 but never owned one nor taken one apart. But
it's in plenty of documentation, like for example the MSV11-J manual,
the relevant Micronote about memories for microPDP-11s, the 11/84
Technical and Reference Manual, and several entries in the DECUServe
archives.
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Network Manager
University of York
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