5 Aug
2015
5 Aug
'15
2:20 a.m.
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system booting up
to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
Even though the video is about 9-1/2 minutes long, it takes longer than
that to boot. I edited out some of the more boring bits. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
10 a.m.
Oh that is awesome.
Lee C.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000
system booting up
to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
Even though the video is about 9-1/2 minutes long, it takes longer than
that to boot. I edited out some of the more boring bits. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
--
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+1-650-704-3934 cell
6 Aug
6 Aug
5:29 a.m.
On Tue, 4 Aug 2015, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000
system booting up to
z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
I thought the P/390 was the smallest S/390?
Christian
5:49 a.m.
the P/390 / R/390 systems are the smallest, but they don't support a lot
of systems features, such as LPARS and the like that you need to be a
full S/390 system.
Also the card doesn't fully support z/OS. Redbook on page 17 says,
"Don't call us because it looks like it runs z/OS".
The MP3000 does support LPAR and Sysplex.
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246204.pdf
On 8/6/2015 2:29 AM, Christian Corti wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2015, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP
3000 system booting
up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
I thought the P/390 was the smallest S/390?
Christian
10 Aug
10 Aug
3:55 p.m.
Guy,
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000
system booting up
to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is blocked
where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch it.
The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS. :-)
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
4:39 p.m.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Kevin Monceaux <Kevin at rawfeddogs.net> wrote:
Guy,
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
He corrects that in the video itself :)
--
Eric Christopherson
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP
3000 system booting up
to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is blocked
where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch it.
The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS. :-) 
15 Aug
15 Aug
9:22 a.m.
On 10 August 2015 at 22:39, Eric Christopherson
<echristopherson at gmail.com> wrote:
He corrects that in the video itself :)
Indeed so. Just watched it through for a second time, actually. Great
fun and I too am jealous. :-D
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10 Aug
10 Aug
5:17 p.m.
New subject: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
Monceaux
Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
Guy,
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000
system booting
up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is blocked
where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch it.
The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS. :-)
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
5:33 p.m.
Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without it...
Best,
Sean
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it> wrote:
Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating
around....
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
Monceaux
Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
Guy,
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I spent some time today and made a video of my MP
3000 system booting
up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is blocked
where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch it.
The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS. :-)
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
11 Aug
11 Aug
1:08 a.m.
z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read $$$'s involved). Generally you
can't run anything newer
than MVS 3.8j on Hercules. See the Hercules website
(http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links
to other sites where you can get various OS's and other programs that
can be legally run.
Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for
Hercules that has an ISPF-like
clone. I have that set up to run on my Mac. I also have the VM/370
"sixpack" installed as well
when I want to run VM/370.
The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with
lots of other program
products) installed.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without
it...
Best,
Sean
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it> wrote:
> Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> Monceaux
> Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>
> Guy,
>
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>
>> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system booting
>> up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is blocked
> where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch it.
> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
> hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS. :-)
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
8:44 a.m.
New subject: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
Well, that was an interesting video. How long did it take to get it fully loaded ?
The "service" Celeron board, is it interfaced internally to the rest, or
externally ?
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Guy Sotomayor
Inviato: marted? 11 agosto 2015 07:08
A: General at main.local; Discussion at main.local:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read $$$'s involved). Generally you can't run
anything newer than MVS 3.8j on Hercules. See the Hercules website
(http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links to other sites where you can get various
OS's and other programs that can be legally run.
Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for Hercules
that has an ISPF-like clone. I have that set up to run on my Mac. I also have the VM/370
"sixpack" installed as well when I want to run VM/370.
The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with lots of other
program
products) installed.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without
it...
Best,
Sean
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it> wrote:
> Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> Monceaux
> Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>
> Guy,
>
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>
>> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system
>> booting up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is
> blocked where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch
it.
> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
> hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS.
> :-)
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
11:50 a.m.
New subject: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
It takes 20-30 minutes from the time that I hit the power switch until
there's a login
screen on the 3179s (not including the time it takes to IML the 3174
controller). So
you can see, I did a bit of editing to get a 9 minute video. ;-)
The service board is located in the chassis. It plugs into the PCI
backplane. However
other z/Series machines have an "external" laptop (though from what I
can tell, there's
a drawer that the laptop sits in that you pull out when you need to do
something with
the service element.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/11/15 5:44 AM, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:
Well, that was an interesting video. How long did it
take to get it fully loaded ?
The "service" Celeron board, is it interfaced internally to the rest, or
externally ?
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Guy Sotomayor
Inviato: marted? 11 agosto 2015 07:08
A: General at main.local; Discussion at main.local:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read $$$'s involved). Generally you can't
run anything newer than MVS 3.8j on Hercules. See the Hercules website
(http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links to other sites where you can get various
OS's and other programs that can be legally run.
Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for Hercules
that has an ISPF-like clone. I have that set up to run on my Mac. I also have the VM/370
"sixpack" installed as well when I want to run VM/370.
The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with lots of other
program
products) installed.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without it...
>
> Best,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it>
wrote:
>
>> Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
>> Monceaux
>> Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
>> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>>
>> Guy,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>>
>>> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system
>>> booting up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
>> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is
>> blocked where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch
it.
>> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
>> hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kevin
>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
>> Bruceville, TX
>>
>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>>
>>
12:29 p.m.
New subject: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
The MP3000 red book explains how the system fits together. An interesting read even if you
don't have one..
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg245633.html
Dave Wade
G4UGM
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy
Sotomayor
Sent: 11 August 2015 16:51
To: General at main.local; Discussion at main.local:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
It takes 20-30 minutes from the time that I hit the power switch until there's
a login screen on the 3179s (not including the time it takes to IML the 3174
controller). So you can see, I did a bit of editing to get a 9 minute video. ;-)
The service board is located in the chassis. It plugs into the PCI backplane.
However other z/Series machines have an "external" laptop (though from
what I can tell, there's a drawer that the laptop sits in that you pull out when
you need to do something with the service element.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/11/15 5:44 AM, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:
Well, that was an interesting video. How long did
it take to get it fully
loaded ?
The "service" Celeron board, is it
interfaced internally to the rest, or
externally ?
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Guy
Sotomayor
Inviato: marted? 11 agosto 2015 07:08
A: General at main.local; Discussion at main.local:On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts
Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read $$$'s involved). Generally you
can't run anything newer than MVS 3.8j on Hercules. See the Hercules
website (http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links to other sites where you
can get various OS's and other programs that can be legally run.
Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for
Hercules that has an ISPF-like clone. I have that set up to run on my Mac. I
also have the VM/370 "sixpack" installed as well when I want to run VM/370.
The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with
lots of other program
products) installed.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without it...
>
> Best,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it>
wrote:
>
>> Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
>> Monceaux
>> Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
>> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>>
>> Guy,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>>
>>> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system
>>> booting up to z/OS. The video is here:
http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
>> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get
home to watch it. YouTube is
>> blocked where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I
watch it.
>>> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
>>> hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
>>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
>>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
>>> Bruceville, TX
>>>
>>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
>>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>>>
>>>
9:38 a.m.
I don't think you're allowed to run z/OS on Hercules even if you pay IBM,
no? Or did they lift that restriction? The licensing on the image which
Alessandro is referring to is undoubtedly questionable in the whole; I was
just curious, since it sounds like he maybe had seen it before, if it was
"complete" and had big layered products like ISPF included and working as
well.
Best,
Sean
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read $$$'s
involved). Generally you
can't run anything newer
than MVS 3.8j on Hercules. See the Hercules website (
http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links
to other sites where you can get various OS's and other programs that can
be legally run.
Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for
Hercules that has an ISPF-like
clone. I have that set up to run on my Mac. I also have the VM/370
"sixpack" installed as well
when I want to run VM/370.
The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with lots
of other program
products) installed.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without
it...
Best,
Sean
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it>
wrote:
Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> Monceaux
> Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>
> Guy,
>
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>
> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system booting
>> up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
>>
> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is blocked
> where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I watch it.
> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
> hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS. :-)
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
>
12:23 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sean
Caron
Sent: 11 August 2015 14:38
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>; Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
I don't think you're allowed to run z/OS on Hercules even if you pay IBM, no?
That depends on your zOS licence. Different countries have different laws. I believe that
the current Z partner developer licences specifically restrict running zOS on anything
other than the supplied emulator and IBM has taken steps to encrypt the disks to prevent
you from even trying. On the other hand some of the older MVS licences allowed you to run
on anything in a disaster recovery situation, including Disaster recovery testing. I
believe these clauses have been modified in the current licence but I don't have a
copy to look at...
Or did they lift that restriction? The licensing on
the image which Alessandro
is referring to is undoubtedly questionable in the whole; I was just curious,
since it sounds like he maybe had seen it before, if it was "complete" and had
big layered products like ISPF included and working as well.
It depends on how it was originally licenced. If it was on a Monthly Charge the licence on
the MP3000 will have expired. If it was purchased then the original owners will have a
licence and it may be possible to transfer it...
Best,
Sean
Dave
G4UGM
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read
$$$'s involved). Generally
you can't run anything newer than MVS 3.8j on Hercules. See the
Hercules website ( http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links to other
sites where you can get various OS's and other programs that can be
legally run.
Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for
Hercules that has an ISPF-like clone. I have that set up to run on my
Mac. I also have the VM/370 "sixpack" installed as well when I want
to run VM/370.
The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with
lots of other program
products) installed.
TTFN - Guy
On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without it...
>
> Best,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it>
> wrote:
>
> Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
>> Monceaux
>> Inviato: luned? 10 agosto 2015 21:55
>> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
>>
>> Guy,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
>>
>> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system
>> booting
>>> up to z/OS. The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
>>>
>> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it. YouTube is
>> blocked where I work. I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I
watch it.
>>> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
>>> hobbyists. Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
>>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
>>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
>>> Bruceville, TX
>>>
>>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
>>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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