A former Apple employee? :) It's probably ok that they didn't know, but it's inexcusable for them to be so terribly stupid. It reminds me of an episode at Worst Buy here in town -- something like this: Him: What kind of TV are you looking for? Me: Something smaller than 20". Otherwise it doesn't matter as long as it has composite video in. Him: Component video is still pretty expensive... Me: (wondering why he's telling me this) _Composite_ video. Him: You probably can't get it on a television that small, either. Me: Um... that's fine, I just want normal composite in -- like this (pointing to composite input on a tv) Him: That's not component video in... No fry's around here. Most people are stuck with Staples -- on the other hand, there are a couple of local shops that are ok for most things. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '