22 Aug
2004
22 Aug
'04
6:36 p.m.
Is there a competent X-Windows programmer in the house? The folks at
XGameStation need to port their graphical IDE to a Linux environment. I
don't have many more details but if you are interested in learning more
then please e-mail me and I'll forward you to the appropriate party.
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23 Aug
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1:06 a.m.
Am 22 Aug 2004 23:36 meinte Vintage Computer Festival:
Is there a competent X-Windows programmer in the house? The folks at
XGameStation need to port their graphical IDE to a Linux environment. I
don't have many more details but if you are interested in learning more
then please e-mail me and I'll forward you to the appropriate party.
Uh-oh if it'S native windows right now, it will be a pure nightmare.
Especialy whany they expect to have future releases on both platforms.
The best aproach would be switching for a complete environment, that
is available on both platforms ... for example Qt. First port the App
to a QT base and then just move it over to Linux.
Qt is 100% compatible availabe forWindows, X11 and Mac (and an
embedded aproaches for embedded Linux), so moveing over would
also open the IDE to Mac Fans.
Also, maybe most important, if the actual implementation is MFC
based (I suppose so), there is an almost automated way to move
an MFC App to Qt. Ok, it's still work, nonetheless, they put in
a lot of work to make it easey. They even cover some areas of
DirectX. Most of the changes are needed to hide the more advanced
messageing functions of Qt from the Win core.
Qt is somewhere between free and non free. As long as you provide
the source of your application to the public, you may also use Qt
for free - all Libs and Docs are available. If you want to keep
the source sode for yourself, aou got to buy a licence per developer.
So if the XGS IDE is open source, its a win win. If not, the prices
are quite competive.
Take a look at their website:
http://www.trolltech.com/
A good start for these people could be the QT days in November
http://www.trolltech.com/forms/qtday.html?land=us
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H.
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1:48 a.m.
Is there a
competent X-Windows programmer in the house? The folks at
XGameStation need to port their graphical IDE to a Linux environment. I
don't have many more details but if you are interested in learning more
then please e-mail me and I'll forward you to the appropriate party.
Uh-oh if it'S native windows right now, it will be a pure nightmare.
Especialy whany they expect to have future releases on both platforms.
The best aproach would be switching for a complete environment, that
is available on both platforms ... for example Qt. First port the App
to a QT base and then just move it over to Linux.
Qt is 100% compatible availabe forWindows, X11 and Mac (and an
embedded aproaches for embedded Linux), so moveing over would
also open the IDE to Mac Fans.
5:02 a.m.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I couldn't agree more with Hans as far as
implementation, and the fact
that the IDE is Windows-only is its greatest barrier to me (I thought
Andre was going to have open-source tools from the getgo?). If Andre
wants a Mac beta-tester for checking that the system works and properly
compiles/generates object code, I have Jaguar and Panther available
here.
He intended all along to have a Linux IDE. I can't remember why he put
that aside early on (lack of time I'm sure) but now he's revisiting it
because my guess is he's getting a lot of inquiries for a Linux IDE.
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5:26 a.m.
Am 23 Aug 2004 10:02 meinte Vintage Computer Festival:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> I couldn't agree more with Hans as far as implementation, and the fact
> that the IDE is Windows-only is its greatest barrier to me (I thought
> Andre was going to have open-source tools from the getgo?). If Andre
> wants a Mac beta-tester for checking that the system works and properly
> compiles/generates object code, I have Jaguar and Panther available
> here.
He intended all along to have a Linux IDE. I
can't remember why he put
that aside early on (lack of time I'm sure) but now he's revisiting it
because my guess is he's getting a lot of inquiries for a Linux IDE.
But right now it's Windows, isn't it? So he should definitly got
for Qt and a real multi platform aproach. oterwise he'll loose
the Windows people. And yeah, not to mention the huge numer of
Mac user ... no, this is not an Ironic statement. After all, the
Mac area is (as always) some kind of orphaned wasteland, which
menas that such projects get a lot of attention if they support
Mac (as it is for linux).
Gruss
H.
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8:19 a.m.
But right now it's Windows, isn't it? So he
should definitly got
for Qt and a real multi platform aproach. oterwise he'll loose
the Windows people. And yeah, not to mention the huge numer of
Mac user ... no, this is not an Ironic statement. After all, the
Mac area is (as always) some kind of orphaned wasteland, which
menas that such projects get a lot of attention if they support
Mac (as it is for linux).
Plus, too, with OS X it's ridiculously easy to port many Unix apps to the
Mac. Even if you don't support Aqua, there's been X11 support since Jaguar
(and it now comes standard with Panther), and I think Qt does have support
for Aqua/Cocoa controls anyway.
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8:16 a.m.
Am 23 Aug 2004 13:19 meinte Cameron Kaiser:
> But right now it's Windows, isn't it? So
he should definitly got
> for Qt and a real multi platform aproach. oterwise he'll loose
> the Windows people. And yeah, not to mention the huge numer of
> Mac user ... no, this is not an Ironic statement. After all, the
> Mac area is (as always) some kind of orphaned wasteland, which
> menas that such projects get a lot of attention if they support
> Mac (as it is for linux).
Plus, too, with OS X it's ridiculously easy to
port many Unix apps to the
Mac. Even if you don't support Aqua, there's been X11 support since Jaguar
(and it now comes standard with Panther), and I think Qt does have support
for Aqua/Cocoa controls anyway.
Now, that again is an argument against porting to Mac - was this
your intend? I mean, a Unix X11 port is not a Mac port... and if
I want to run a Unix, then I get myself a nixe x86 based Laptop
and put Linux on ther ... no need for high priced Mac hardware.
Gruss
H.
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11:14 a.m.
Plus, too,
with OS X it's ridiculously easy to port many Unix apps to the
Mac. Even if you don't support Aqua, there's been X11 support since Jaguar
(and it now comes standard with Panther), and I think Qt does have support
for Aqua/Cocoa controls anyway.
Now, that again is an argument against porting to Mac - was this
your intend? I mean, a Unix X11 port is not a Mac port... and if
I want to run a Unix, then I get myself a nixe x86 based Laptop
and put Linux on ther ... no need for high priced Mac hardware. 
2:23 a.m.
Hans Franke wrote:
...
Uh-oh if it'S native windows right now, it will be
a pure nightmare.
Especialy whany they expect to have future releases on both platforms.
The best aproach would be switching for a complete environment, that
is available on both platforms ... for example Qt. First port the App
to a QT base and then just move it over to Linux.
Qt is 100% compatible availabe forWindows, X11 and Mac (and an
embedded aproaches for embedded Linux), so moveing over would
also open the IDE to Mac Fans.
...
Qt is somewhere between free and non free. As long as
you provide
the source of your application to the public, you may also use Qt
for free - all Libs and Docs are available. If you want to keep
the source sode for yourself, aou got to buy a licence per developer.
I'll put in a plug for wxWidgets (formerly wxWindows). It is cross
platform and has the bonus that it is open source. The developers are
very accessible and are quite responsive. I used it for my wang 2200
emulator and wish I had known about it when I wrote my Sol emulator.
In the past I understand that the Mac portion was seriously lagging in
its polish, but they have put a lot of work into bringing it up to par.
http://wxwidgets.org/
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