13 Jul
2004
13 Jul
'04
5:18 a.m.
http://www.cnn.com/money/2004/07/13/news/fortune500/recycle_pc/index.htm
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
13 Jul
13 Jul
9:57 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bryan Pope wrote:
... and what do you suppose their definition is of "recycling"?
(Pentium >1 GHz; anything else or slower is "too obsolete" to
be used, and will be crushed for scrap)
HP has a tradition of recycling (scrapping) toner and ink cartridges -
significantly reduces the number of refillable units around.
"one product per day"??? THAT does NOT sound like a serious
effort to recycle. THAT is "free disposal".
10:03 a.m.
And thusly Fred Cisin spake:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bryan Pope wrote:
... and what do you suppose their definition is of "recycling"?
(Pentium >1 GHz; anything else or slower is "too obsolete" to
Arrrgh!! A 1 Ghz machine is perfect for a MAME machine!! :-(
be used, and will be crushed for scrap)
Maybe we should all start hanging out at our local Office Depots with a
truck...
HP has a tradition of recycling (scrapping) toner and ink cartridges -
significantly reduces the number of refillable units around.
"one product per day"??? THAT does NOT sound like a serious
effort to recycle. THAT is "free disposal".
It would be nice to know what they plan to do with these systems...
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
10:25 a.m.
> >
http://www.cnn.com/money/2004/07/13/news/fortune500/recycle_pc/index.htm
>
> ... and what do you suppose their definition is of "recycling"?
> (Pentium >1 GHz; anything else or slower is "too obsolete" to
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bryan Pope wrote:
Arrrgh!! A 1 Ghz machine is perfect for a MAME
machine!! :-(
To be fair, that was my guess of their parameters for "recycling",
NOT their wording.
But what do YOU think they would do with a Northstar?
Maybe we should all start hanging out at our local
Office Depots with a
truck...
I doubt that it would require a very large incentive (bribe) to
get the Office Depot employee to cull "obsolete crap" for you.
> "one product per day"??? THAT does NOT
sound like a serious
> effort to recycle. THAT is "free disposal".
The "one product per day" is to avoid the possibility of
recycling any significant amount, but to get people to
come to the store with the machine that they bought a few
years ago. ... and while there, shop for a replacement.
It would be nice to know what they plan to do with
these systems...
The HP "recycling" of toner and ink cartridges is a very
systematic scrapping of the materials.
1:09 p.m.
In message <20040713121649.H44619(a)newshell.lmi.net>
Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote:
To be fair, that was my guess of their parameters for
"recycling",
NOT their wording.
But what do YOU think they would do with a Northstar?
Them: "Yecch. More crap
for the dumpster"
Me: "Hmm. Another addition to my collection. Now to fit it in the car..."
The "one product per day" is to avoid the
possibility of
recycling any significant amount, but to get people to
come to the store with the machine that they bought a few
years ago. ... and while there, shop for a replacement.
And end up with something
that cost far more than its componet parts and is
hopelessly outdated.
For some people, the fact that the hardware is "obsolete" isn't much of a
hindrance - someone gave me a half-dead PC, so I cleaned it out, reseated
various connectors and got it to boot - stuck a copy of Openoffice on it (it
already had a valid Windows 98SE license sticker and the OS was pretty bare
anyway) and sold it on. A Packard-Bell is no good to me (too much proprietary
hardware), so why not fix it and sell it on to someone who's just starting
out with computers?
Next job: Turn the 500MHz K6 b0x that's currently wasting space into a
fileserver...
The HP "recycling" of toner and ink
cartridges is a very
systematic scrapping of the materials.
Despite the fact that the parts are actually
(to some extent) reusable - the
imager drums fitted to most HP cartridges tend to last longer than the toner
does. I've got a Panasonic KXP4400 with 8,000 pages on a drum that was only
supposed to run for 6,000. I just emptied the waste-toner casing, whacked the
side of the casing on the desk to reset the plastic "replace drum" flag,
sealed it with Scotch tape and put it back in the machine. There's a trick to
it - wear a dust mask and goggles and don't be afraid to use a bit of brute
force :)
Later.
--
Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB,
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice,
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI
... Which sparks some mnemonic circuitry.
1:36 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 19:25, Fred Cisin wrote:
Indeed. My local computer "recycling" place works on the premise that
Unless it's a PC, it gets ripped apart, with plastic going to the local
tip, PCBs going somewhere else, and metal going for scrap value.
No attempt is made to advertise any such donated equipment to the
public; I only know because I happened to be there one day when someone
was coming to do a run of remains to the tip and so saw the pile of
plastic shells from 80's micros awaiting the crusher.
The owner isn't open to any kind of arangement where I buy non-PC
machines from him for something above scrap value (where I could then
sell them on to good homes for what I paid for them) - I've tried asking
that a couple of times. I think to him it's simply a business and his
money comes from selling secondhand PC components; even if an
arrangement was more convenient for him because it means not having to
part 'unsellable' out himself, he still can't think beyond what he's
always done.
I don't know, I just get frustrated by people who think that recycling
involves smashing things into component parts first, rather than making
an effort to recycle the thing as a whole first (regardless of what the
'thing' is). That kind of attitude makes no sense to me...
cheers
Jules
Arrrgh!! A 1
Ghz machine is perfect for a MAME machine!! :-(
To be fair, that was my guess of their parameters for "recycling",
NOT their wording.
But what do YOU think they would do with a Northstar? 
2:06 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: FYI: Office Depot to recycle old PCs...
On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 19:25, Fred Cisin wrote:
Indeed. My local computer "recycling" place works on the premise that
Unless it's a PC, it gets ripped apart, with plastic going to the local
tip, PCBs going somewhere else, and metal going for scrap value.
No attempt is made to advertise any such donated equipment to the
public; I only know because I happened to be there one day when someone
was coming to do a run of remains to the tip and so saw the pile of
plastic shells from 80's micros awaiting the crusher.
The owner isn't open to any kind of arangement where I buy non-PC
machines from him for something above scrap value (where I could then
sell them on to good homes for what I paid for them) - I've tried asking
that a couple of times. I think to him it's simply a business and his
money comes from selling secondhand PC components; even if an
arrangement was more convenient for him because it means not having to
part 'unsellable' out himself, he still can't think beyond what he's
always done.
I don't know, I just get frustrated by people who think that recycling
involves smashing things into component parts first, rather than making
an effort to recycle the thing as a whole first (regardless of what the
'thing' is). That kind of attitude makes no sense to me...
cheers
Jules
I bet most recyclers get their machines from a business, which probably pays
to make sure their old gear is destroyed and recycled and not tossed into a
corner of a shop for somebody else to worry about. If you really want to
provide computers to a good home setup a non profit business and have people
drop off machines to you. It doesn't cost much to advertise in the local
paper or post a note at a church or something like that.
Arrrgh!!
A 1 Ghz machine is perfect for a MAME machine!! :-(
To be fair, that was my guess of their parameters for "recycling",
NOT their wording.
But what do YOU think they would do with a Northstar? 
2:43 p.m.
>> I don't know, I just get frustrated by
people who think that recycling
involves smashing things into component parts
>>> first, rather than making
an effort to recycle the thing as a whole first (regardless of what the
'thing' is). That >>> kind of attitude makes no sense to me...
Technically "recycle" is the breaking down and utilizing of the parts.
"Reuse" is the return to service of a complete "thing"
Reduce...Reuse...Recycle is the "mantra".
David.
Ps: being picky here.
17 Jul
17 Jul
12:18 p.m.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:03:42 -0400 (edt)
Bryan Pope <bpope(a)wordstock.com> wrote:
And thusly Fred Cisin spake:
I don't own a machine as fast as 1 GHz yet. I'll probably be plodding
along on the skid of Dell Optiplexes I got this spring ($40 for aprox.
80 machines) for years to come. For 'ordinary use' of the form most
people engage in a 500 MHz machine is still very suitable.
The 'Manufacturer recycling' excitement being stirred up (heard a piece
about it on NPR last week) is Dell and HP crushing useful machines in
order to get them out of the market. They don't make much money from
the 'hand-me-down' computer market. They (and Microsoft) want every
user to be making payments on a shiney new box at all times.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bryan Pope wrote:
... and what do you suppose their definition is of "recycling"?
(Pentium >1 GHz; anything else or slower is "too obsolete" to
Arrrgh!! A 1 Ghz machine is perfect for a MAME machine!! :-(
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