This is semi-OT, since the IIsi has two years to go before it's on topic :-) For a Commodore nut, I sure seem to be doing a steady traffic in Apples. IIsi. After some cursing because it was set up with At UnEase, I rigged a boot disk, trashed AE and started poking around. It's an '030 with 5MB RAM running System 7.1. I'm finally seeing value in the tuition I pay to Loma Linda University, since I basically went to the System Folder on all their System 7 Macs and grabbed all the extensions and control panels. Surprisingly, at least to me (the systems in question were 7.5 or later), this seemed to work EXCEPT for OpenTransport. PC Exchange purrs like a kitten and I'm able to handle ProDOS and DOS like a pro. (By the way, what files does ProDOS 8 need to have on the disk for it to be bootable?) But the IIsi simply refuses to mount OT. I downloaded 1.0.8 from the Apple support site and tried that, but it simply said it could not be installed on this particular model and gave no further explanation. The readme asserts that it will run on '030s and 7.1, though, for all the versions available from asu.info.apple.com. However, they appear to be updates, not installs (except for 1.0.8, the 1.1.x versions say that 1.1 must be installed already). Simply copying the libraries and the Shared Library Manager into the Extensions folder doesn't work. It just ignores them, and when I try to start the TCP/IP or AppleTalk control panels, it whines that OT is not running. Copying fresh ones from the "uninstallable" install disk doesn't do any good either. Any suggestions? I'm really hoping to avoid having to make the monster (for this poor thing) download of 7.5+ from the Apple support site if I can avoid it. I don't mind System 7.1 at all, really. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- Dalai Lama to hotdog vendor: "Make me one with everything." ----------------