But those are CD-R's intended for Digital Audio, not Data. I know they can be used for data, but I'd obviously prefer to have the data CD-R's available too. A couple of places still list Kodak Gold Ultima CD-R (data, not audio) as being discontinued but still in stock, including www.cdroutlet.com. It's a shame that such a fine storage media gets displaced by all the el-cheapo-will-probably-deteriorate-in-a-decade-or-so cheap stuff that's everywhere. It's as if folks don't believe that 650 MBytes of data is worth a couple bucks anymore, just because they can store it on 15 cent media for a couple years. They've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less famous is this: "Never confuse the cost of the media with the value of the data". Tim.