and >was allowed I dealt with the Surplus exchange in Kansas City before the "public" was allowed in. These not for profits can sell in at last Missouri and I think here in CA w/o collecting any sales tax if they just go thru the effort to register properly. THere is no reason for an "attitude" unless they want to generate it. The surplus exchange invited in people that would tell them the maximum amount about what they had they had no experince with and how to get the maximum money for it. If there had been a group like this when they were getting all the 370s and such about 15 years ago, I would have had all you guys over them like stink on s**t, but some organizations get taken over with people who take care of their own needs and don't welcome other commers as competition for the good donations. The worst of this is in the Friends of the Bookstore groups, who have "collectors" and "dealers" on their boards to "help" with the donations. Anyway, lest this previous paragraph sound like it is directed at the pravious poster, Sellam, or anyone on this list, it is not. But the fact is, look at the Goodwill Computer sales and other thrift stores who are not for profit. THere is no reason that any group that is not for profit need have a problem for selling to the public. It is up to the charter of the operation who they sell to, or give to. The Surplus Exchange in Kansas City i think is one of the best examples of how to recycle equipment that there is anywhere. They have rules to get the most out of donations first directly to their "members" and other charities, in recycling better grade stuff directly to those groups, and then with variety of programs to extract value from the donations on down to just selling scrap. There have been rough spots in the road, but I dont think the result has been bad, and as I said I think they are one of the best to deal with anywhere. I know nothing of the group you mentioned, but what is on the list, and would be a bit put off they were not friendly as well. There is no reason they have to be other than their own choices. Jim