Speaking of curious cards: I just picked up 5 stripped down Dell 433p machines. Nothing in them except motherboard, 486-dx33 processor, and riser card. BUT... In two or three I found the following card. I didn't look hard enough at the numbers, but I can pretty much describe it: The card has one dsub shell, 9-pin on the back, there's a machined aluminum chip on the card, marked IBM, and there's an ODD and EVEN ROM set. My first guess was mono graphics cards (VGA is built-in to MB) but I got to thinking: Did IBM ever make a network card with this type of connector on it? All I know is twisted pair, coax, and have seen token ring stuff before but not worked with it. What does it sound like to you guys? (Slightly off-topic, by 3 years.) - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -