16 Nov
2004
16 Nov
'04
9:27 a.m.
Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
Joe
16 Nov
16 Nov
9:37 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:27 -0500, Joe R. wrote:
Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
*sigh*
That is the most obvious fake I have ever seen. It made its rounds on
IRC as a joke about two months ago.
It is a fake, and a very bad one at that. The worst job is the paper
coming down from the "teletype".
But isn't the typewriter a horribly stretched DECWriter? And did they
even have sprocket feed paper in 1954?
Heck, FORTRAN didn't even exist in '54, did it?
And, I mean, come on, a large <US name for boat steering wheel>?
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17 Nov
17 Nov
5:15 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Tore S Bekkedal wrote:
That is the most obvious fake I have ever seen. It
made its rounds on
IRC as a joke about two months ago.
It is a fake, and a very bad one at that. The worst job is the paper
coming down from the "teletype".
Wow, you're right. I got totally duped. I looked at the photo for all
but 2 seconds :(
But isn't the typewriter a horribly stretched
DECWriter? And did they
even have sprocket feed paper in 1954?
Heck, FORTRAN didn't even exist in '54, did it?
Well, it was begun in 1954.
And, I mean, come on, a large <US name for boat
steering wheel>?
Nice touch.
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5:18 a.m.
On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 08:15 -0800, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Heh, now I want one for my desktop :)
Controlling the volume or something? :)
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Tore S Bekkedal <toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no>
Well, it was begun in 1954.
Hmm, you're
right.
And, I mean, come on, a large <US name for
boat steering wheel>?
Nice touch. 
5:25 a.m.
A previous post gave the actual photo (from the Rand Corp) - this is the
secondary steerage station from a submarine, installed in the engine
room.. the 'steering' wheels are for steering and up/down, if I read the
caption properly.
And it's not a very good fake, either - as the piece of greenbar hanging
out of the Decwriter appears to be either going into, or coming out of,
the case near the keyboard... not the paper slot which is, of course,
underneath the machine.
And we've all seen enough pictures of 1950s computers - how many of
them had that many power meters and pressure guages on 'em...?
Cheers
John
18 Nov
18 Nov
9:44 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Tore S Bekkedal wrote:
On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:27 -0500, Joe R. wrote:
> Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
Totally fake. Funny though, just not to this discerning crowd! :-)
That's all power control junk in the panel. The wheel is just silly.
9:49 a.m.
>>>> "Tom" == Tom Jennings
<tomj(a)wps.com> writes:
Tom> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Tore S Bekkedal wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:27 -0500, Joe R. wrote:
> Take a look at
> this
> <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
Tom> Totally fake. Funny though, just not to this discerning crowd!
Tom> :-)
Tom> That's all power control junk in the panel. The wheel is just
Tom> silly.
That's not what Snope says -- the original photo is a submarine
trainer. That fits -- two wheels on a sub makes sense (up/down and
left/right).
paul
10:12 a.m.
At 03:44 PM 11/18/2004, you wrote:
Acutally, not so silly. Looks somewhat like the Manuvering Room on a
nuclear submarine, about 10'x10' in size.
The Steam Plant Control panel had wheels IIRC to throttle steam, and there
was a Reactor Plant Control Panel and Electric Plant Control Panel
immediately adjacent - pretty much as shown. The EPCP though had a big
mimic bus of the boats electric port and starboard AC and DC power systems.
Caveat to any boat sailors on the list - I used to be qualified, but have
lost too many brain cells in the 30 years since my last patrol.
Ed K.
On Tue,
2004-11-16 at 15:27 -0500, Joe R. wrote:
> Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
Totally fake. Funny though, just not to this discerning crowd! :-)
That's all power control junk in the panel. The wheel is just silly. 
12:47 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
Always wanted to make a *proper* stick and rudder pedal set, with proper
throttle, flaps and toe brakes for the FlightGear simulator...
Gordon.
That's all
power control junk in the panel. The wheel is just silly.
A "home computer" SHOULD have a "game controller".
Hmmmm. I have an extra truck steering wheel ('59 Willys FC170),
and some potentiometers,......
19 Nov
19 Nov
12:15 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 15:47, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Always wanted to make a *proper* stick and rudder
pedal set, with proper
throttle, flaps and toe brakes for the FlightGear simulator...
OK you asked for it... these are not a joke.
http://wps.com/archives/Ivall/TRIDAC-control-desk.jpg
http://wps.com/archives/Ivall/TRIDAC-analog-flight-simulator-computer.jpg
and separately
http://wps.com/archives/Ivall/Redifon-flight-simulator-cabin.jpg
3:14 p.m.
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Tom Jennings wrote:
On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 15:47, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Simply amazing.
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Always wanted to make a *proper* stick and rudder
pedal set, with proper
throttle, flaps and toe brakes for the FlightGear simulator...
OK you asked for it... these are not a joke.
http://wps.com/archives/Ivall/TRIDAC-control-desk.jpg
http://wps.com/archives/Ivall/TRIDAC-analog-flight-simulator-computer.jpg
3:27 p.m.
On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 18:14, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Yeah, Microsoft flight simulator does a poor job on the Hydraulic Pump
Room and the Rectifier Room.
3:43 p.m.
New subject: Sorta kinda OT: Flight Sim Hardware
Someone was asking about fairly real-world flight sim goodies:
www.kingschools.com/productDetail.asp?itemNo=GOO%20EL93
and one can go from there to research it.
I know folks who have purchased older 'cockpit' style full-size
simulators - Cessa Pilot Schools had one in the 70s that replicated a 150
panel, yoke, throttle and pedals - all in analog, and using real and
modified instruments... all electric, no vacuum, etc.
Cheers
John
9:41 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Joe R. wrote:
Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp
JP
9:44 a.m.
At 02:27 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote:
Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
Did you scan this? I suspect forgery. Most of those controls
are analog. It looks more like the bridge of a ship. The
printer / keyboard seems anachronistic. Is that a DECwriter?
And why would the greenbar come out the front? Along with
the TV, they look pasted-in. The text looks like it was
rendered in Photoshop, not scanned. And FORTRAN might've been
invented at IBM in 1954, was it actually well-known?
- John
10:07 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 20:54 +0000, Jules Richardson wrote:
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On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 14:44 -0600, John Foust wrote:
Completely coincidentally, I just
stumbled across this page while idly
surfing:
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/610.html
Same year-ish, same purpose, more sensible design! :)
are analog. It looks more like the bridge of a
ship.
I thought power station myself... apart from the 'steering wheel' which
looks like it was pasted in separately :) 
10:24 a.m.
maybe the "kit" will be offered so we can build one too...
At 03:54 PM 11/16/2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 14:44 -0600, John Foust wrote:
are analog. It looks more like the bridge of a
ship.
I thought power station myself... apart from the 'steering wheel' which
looks like it was pasted in separately :)
17 Nov
17 Nov
5:13 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Joe R. wrote:
Take a look at this
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg>
Gee, I didn't realize people in 1954 thought homes of the future would be
ocean-going vessels.
I.E. what the hell is the steering wheel for?
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12:28 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 14:17 -0800, Fred Cisin wrote:
HAHAHhahaha :D
SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO THAT! :D
Wire up a steering wheel for a car, or one of those big brass wheels
used in subs for Pong!
Dear Lord, that would be cool, and you'd need two car seats too, of
course :)
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I.E. what the
hell is the steering wheel for?
Pong
It's wired to a 16 (14?) pin DIP plug for Apple ][
or to a DA15 for PC.
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