11 Mar
1998
11 Mar
'98
12:12 p.m.
I am right now sitting in a room containing a few interesting parts...
There's an 11/70 here, and 11/44, and 11/83.
And that's not all.
Lining the back wall are VAX 7650, 8530, 11/785...
There's other DEC stuff around... There's apparently a RSX/11M
distrib RL02 pack around, but it's been lost in a sea of XXDP+ packs...
Numbersome MicroVAXen...
I am talking to you right now from the 785! Truly impressive!
The room also holds an AlphaServer 7100, and a lot of Windoze boxen.
This is ATS's lab, where they test things!
Already scored a lot of manuals, PDP-11, VAX, and PDP-8 stuff.
Maybe I can talk them out of this 785, or maybe a DELUA or something... :)
See ya later, I'm gonna see what else I can find!
PS: NONE of this is trash! They actually USE all this stuff to test equipment!
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11 Mar
12:35 p.m.
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4:18 p.m.
[ATS?]
ATS is Advanced Technology Services. A company off of Caterpillar.
THey're all over the place.
And I did get a load of interesting manuals. Some have Dick Blaudow's name
on the sides, he's the guy responsible for starting the company.
Oh, and another thing: After noting my intrest in VAXen, they guy in charge
led me to another 11/785 hidden in an off room. It didn't boot.
I got to bring it up. The 11/04 at the bottom had died: We switched
out the boards inside. I had it at a SYSBOOT> prompt before I had
to leave. The recruiter seemed VERY interested in me!
They took my name and email-address: I get that 785 when it's decommissioned
in a few months. (!)
Will NetBSD run on that?
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4:48 p.m.
[785 question]
Here's a question: What's the differences between a VAX 785 and a 780?
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14 Mar
14 Mar
3:17 a.m.
At 02:48 PM 11-03-98 -0800, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
[785 question]
Here's a question: What's the differences between a VAX 785 and a 780?
5 :-)
Physically identical (you can upgrade/downgrade to your heart's content).
Basically an 11/785 is an 11/780 with a faster CPU. An 11/780 is 1VUP (by
definition) and an 11/785 is 1.5VUP.
I used to look after (both hardware and software) 11/780s and 11/785s. The
last pair were known as black (11/785) and blue (11/780) as the 785 had
originally been an Intergraph system and was repainted black. Black and
blue also reflected on my fingers/body/etc - these systems are heavy.
After having fun with these systems we replaced them with 8800 series
VAXen. At one stage I looked after 4 and we had another 2 under Digital
maintenance. Now those were the good old days....
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12 Mar
12 Mar
9:32 p.m.
See ya later, I'm gonna see what else I can find!
You, sir, have not seen many real computer rooms. Some of the plainest
looking buildings have the most impressive computer rooms. Of those that I
frequent, the best have been MCI sites (old things - VAXen, HP1000s, IBM
S/1s, etc.), banks (big IBM iron, _including_ S/360 remnants), and AOL
(yes, AOL - biggest computer rooms I have ever seen - _hundreds_ of
serious machines, but all recent).
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
11:52 p.m.
(yes, AOL - biggest computer rooms I have ever seen -
_hundreds_ of
serious machines, but all recent).
Ah, you mean their collection of Auspex File Servers, they are one of
Auspexes two major customers. Interesting Hardware, I got to check out the
hardware on their latest yesterday, they're really packing the drives in
the new machines. Still trying to figure out how all the data on the new
machines can be backed up in a timely manner.
Zane
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13 Mar
13 Mar
9:11 p.m.
Ah, you mean their collection of Auspex File Servers,
they are one of
Auspexes two major customers. Interesting Hardware, I got to check out the
hardware on their latest yesterday, they're really packing the drives in
the new machines. Still trying to figure out how all the data on the new
machines can be backed up in a timely manner.
No, the Auspex boxes are in the minority. To keep one million users active
at once, LOTs of Unix boxes are needed!
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
11:20 a.m.
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, William Donzelli wrote:
You, sir, have not seen many real computer rooms. Some
of the plainest
looking buildings have the most impressive computer rooms. Of those that I
frequent, the best have been MCI sites (old things - VAXen, HP1000s, IBM
S/1s, etc.), banks (big IBM iron, _including_ S/360 remnants), and AOL
(yes, AOL - biggest computer rooms I have ever seen - _hundreds_ of
serious machines, but all recent).
The only MCI site I've been in had Sun's and crappy NT boxes (on Compaq
servers). Nothing exciting, except that it comprised MCI's CampusMCI
internet backbone, which was kinda cool. Oh, and it did house my stuff
which made it respectable :)
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8:49 p.m.
The only MCI site I've been in had Sun's and
crappy NT boxes (on Compaq
servers). Nothing exciting, except that it comprised MCI's CampusMCI
internet backbone, which was kinda cool. Oh, and it did house my stuff
which made it respectable :)
The colo (colocation) rooms generally have the old stuff.
You can bet that I am going to follow the fate of a certain IBM RS/6000 SP
that is sitting in one (can not tell you where)...
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
14 Mar
14 Mar
10:46 a.m.
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10:48 a.m.
[Old computers = useless?]
It's not that, I'm usually surprised because I though a big company like
ATS would have unloaded these just to say "We have no old gear, we use all
NEW technology!"
I plan to have my uV3100 do something useful once the NetBSD DMA code gets
fixed. If I can scare up $100, I have a 2.9BSD tape image I'd love to
install and use - 2.9 had TCP/IP in it, didn't it?
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11:09 a.m.
[TCP/IP on a PDP-11]
2. sounds interesting... I think I know where to get a copy of TSX-11...
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11:34 a.m.
[TSX-11]
Actually, a guy I know wants to axe the TSX-11 on his 11/53 so he can just talk
to RT-11. I could probably just back it up on a TK50 and load it elsewheres.
Why he wants to axe TSX, I'm not sure. I'll ask later.
This should still be legal, as the origional install is getting destroyed.
So only one copy stays in existence.
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12:25 p.m.
[Why do R TSX?]
It's in the startup indirect file. I'm told he wants Fuzzball instead of
TSX.
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12:40 p.m.
[^C the startup indirect]
That's what he's doing.
[Why fuzzball?]
I have no idea! I know I can't get it to run...
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12:35 p.m.
If I can scare up $100, I have a 2.9BSD tape
image I'd love to
install and use - 2.9 had TCP/IP in it, didn't it?
No. If you want TCP/IP on a PDP-11, you want one of the following:
1. 2.11 BSD.
2. Alan Baldwin's TCP/IP package for RT-11/TSX+.
3. Process Software's TCP/IP packages for RSX-11 or RSTS/E.
All of the above are actively being maintained.
Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
11:51 a.m.
New subject: UNIX Source Licenses
fixed. If I can scare up $100, I have a 2.9BSD tape
image I'd love to
install and use - 2.9 had TCP/IP in it, didn't it?
Does the UNIX source license include the ability to use the BSD versions
for the PDP-11? I thought the license only covers UNIX Version 1-7 & V32,
or is that all that is required to be able to legally obtain a copy of BSD?
On another note, what platform does the V32 UNIX run on? Somehow it sounds
like it might run on a VAX to me.
Zane
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12:28 p.m.
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2:01 p.m.
New subject: UNIX Source Licenses
Zane H. Healy wrote:
On another note, what platform does the V32 UNIX run
on? Somehow it sounds
like it might run on a VAX to me.
UNIX 32V was a port of V7 to the VAX done at Bell Labs.
I believe it was also ported to a few other 32-bit minis,
like the Interdata 32.
Dave
4:49 p.m.
New subject: UNIX Source Licenses
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Actually the Interdata 8/32 and 7/32 ran Edition VII (a Version 7 port
On another note, what platform does the V32 UNIX
run on? Somehow it sounds
like it might run on a VAX to me.
UNIX 32V was a port of V7 to the VAX done at Bell Labs.
I believe it was also ported to a few other 32-bit minis,
like the Interdata 32.
Dave
from Wollongong, and later the 3200 series had Xelos (a
Perkin-Elmer
port of SVR0 -- swapping not paging).
Bill
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New subject: UNIX Source Licenses
Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote:
Actually there was *another* port of v7 to the 8/32. It was an internal
Bell Labs port which may or may not have been derived from 32V. I recall
hearing about it back when I was a sysadmin adt Monmouht College and our
main (only) Unix box was an 8/32.
It's mentioned in some of the literature as proof of the early
portability
of Unix. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find out much detail
about the port.
<<<John>>>
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Actually the Interdata 8/32 and 7/32 ran Edition VII (a Version 7 port
from Wollongong, and later the 3200 series had Xelos (a Perkin-Elmer
port of SVR0 -- swapping not paging). On another note, what platform does the V32 UNIX
run on? Somehow it sounds
like it might run on a VAX to me.
UNIX 32V was a port of V7 to the VAX done at Bell Labs.
I believe it was also ported to a few other 32-bit minis,
like the Interdata 32.
Dave
15 Mar
15 Mar
7:17 a.m.
New subject: UNIX Source Licenses
Hi John --
It's mentioned in some of the literature as proof
of the early
portability
of Unix. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find out much detail
about the port.
<<<John>>>
Yup. The AT&T labs port happened and is mentioned in the
Peter Salus book. However, I think it was internal only.
It's a prime example how Interdata/Perkin-Elmer blew it.
They (AT&T) were fairly impressed with the 8/32, however there was a problem
with the I/O that AT&T wanted resolved in hardware. Interdata/Perkin-Elmer
just said no and lost the opportunity to be the "11/70" system for all the
phone company systems. (They needed the large address space and
32 bit addressing which became real with the Vax.)
Just another way Concurrent missed the Unix boat -- big time.
Bill
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the weekend of April 18. http://www.dorsai.org/fair.
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14 Mar
14 Mar
1:54 p.m.
Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
I plan to have my uV3100 do something useful once the
NetBSD DMA code gets
fixed. If I can scare up $100, I have a 2.9BSD tape image I'd love to
install and use - 2.9 had TCP/IP in it, didn't it?
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2.9 has the beginnings of TCP/IP, but you are much better off with 2.11.
Dave
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