10 Dec
2014
10 Dec
'14
7:39 p.m.
My advisor was given an old HP83000 IC tester a few years ago and I got
stuck with trying to figure out how to evaluate if it is worth trying to
set up.
To that end, I am investigating the HP C360 visualize workstation that came
with it.
It is booting, but there are entries in the fstab that imply that there
were more hard drives.
It came with this hard drive array: http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
I am having trouble even identifying the make and model, let alone finding
some sort of manual.
Anyone got an idea of what is going on here and possibly where I can source
the correct cabling for it?
The workstation has 2 scsi busses, an ultrawide single ended and a narrow
single ended.
10 Dec
10 Dec
8:53 p.m.
MTI was pretty much just a... generic... I suppose you'd say, enclosure
manufacturer, kind of like Supermicro is.
Any MTI box I ever encountered was just a "dumb" enclosure... no smarts...
in this case you'd hook it up to a separate RAID controller card in the
host (or just a plain old SCSI card); all disks are presented individually
i.e. "JBOD".
I'm not familiar enough with them to rule out them having perhaps made
enclosures with integrated RAID, in which case you'd configure the LUN in
the enclosure's management interface, and just those LUNs are presented to
the host.
The reason I even suspect the latter at all is because there appears to be
a RS-232 port on the enclosure in one of the pics. If you're curious, you
might try hooking a PC with terminal emulator up to that, with and without
a null modem adapter, and see what comes out. A good guess at the comms
parameters is 9600 8/N/1. If that doesn't work... :|
But I don't think you should concern yourself with that off the bat, just
find an appropriate SCSI cable, hook it up to the workstation and see what
comes up. Hopefully whatever's there might just be intact, and all you'll
need to do is connect it.
The cabling is not too difficult to find. If you're on a university campus,
probably lots of groups have tons of these laying around in various
cabinets gathering dust (SCSI is pretty dated... you see it in production a
lot less... many things are now SAS). I know that's certainly the case at
U-M! Might be worth asking around your department's IT group.
If you do want to buy new, lots of places sell them, here's just a quick
example from Googling:
http://www.cs-electronics.com/68-pin-cables.htm
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Joseph Lenox <lenox.joseph at gmail.com>
wrote:
My advisor was given an old HP83000 IC tester a few
years ago and I got
stuck with trying to figure out how to evaluate if it is worth trying to
set up.
To that end, I am investigating the HP C360 visualize workstation that came
with it.
It is booting, but there are entries in the fstab that imply that there
were more hard drives.
It came with this hard drive array: http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
I am having trouble even identifying the make and model, let alone finding
some sort of manual.
Anyone got an idea of what is going on here and possibly where I can source
the correct cabling for it?
The workstation has 2 scsi busses, an ultrawide single ended and a narrow
single ended.
8:57 p.m.
Sorry to reply to my own post... I did want to take back my first sentence;
apparently there was a bit more to MTI than I was aware. Nevertheless most
of the suggestions in my previous message should be germane to your
situation.
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
MTI was pretty much just a... generic... I suppose
you'd say, enclosure
manufacturer, kind of like Supermicro is.
Any MTI box I ever encountered was just a "dumb" enclosure... no smarts...
in this case you'd hook it up to a separate RAID controller card in the
host (or just a plain old SCSI card); all disks are presented individually
i.e. "JBOD".
I'm not familiar enough with them to rule out them having perhaps made
enclosures with integrated RAID, in which case you'd configure the LUN in
the enclosure's management interface, and just those LUNs are presented to
the host.
The reason I even suspect the latter at all is because there appears to be
a RS-232 port on the enclosure in one of the pics. If you're curious, you
might try hooking a PC with terminal emulator up to that, with and without
a null modem adapter, and see what comes out. A good guess at the comms
parameters is 9600 8/N/1. If that doesn't work... :|
But I don't think you should concern yourself with that off the bat, just
find an appropriate SCSI cable, hook it up to the workstation and see what
comes up. Hopefully whatever's there might just be intact, and all you'll
need to do is connect it.
The cabling is not too difficult to find. If you're on a university
campus, probably lots of groups have tons of these laying around in various
cabinets gathering dust (SCSI is pretty dated... you see it in production a
lot less... many things are now SAS). I know that's certainly the case at
U-M! Might be worth asking around your department's IT group.
If you do want to buy new, lots of places sell them, here's just a quick
example from Googling:
http://www.cs-electronics.com/68-pin-cables.htm
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Joseph Lenox <lenox.joseph at gmail.com>
wrote:
My advisor was given an old HP83000 IC tester a
few years ago and I got
stuck with trying to figure out how to evaluate if it is worth trying to
set up.
To that end, I am investigating the HP C360 visualize workstation that
came
with it.
It is booting, but there are entries in the fstab that imply that there
were more hard drives.
It came with this hard drive array: http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
I am having trouble even identifying the make and model, let alone finding
some sort of manual.
Anyone got an idea of what is going on here and possibly where I can
source
the correct cabling for it?
The workstation has 2 scsi busses, an ultrawide single ended and a narrow
single ended.
9:02 p.m.
On 12/10/14 5:53 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
MTI was pretty much just a... generic... I suppose
you'd say, enclosure
manufacturer, kind of like Supermicro is.
Any MTI box I ever encountered was just a "dumb" enclosure... no smarts...
Supermicro builds their own cards and motherboards.
MTI bought SF2, and got into the RAID biz.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-03/business/fi-577_1_silicon-valley
9:07 p.m.
Yeah, Supermicro makes very nice motherboards and other products; I just
use so many of their JBOD enclosures at work, it's what I associate them
with.
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 12/10/14 5:53 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
MTI was pretty much just a... generic... I
suppose you'd say, enclosure
manufacturer, kind of like Supermicro is.
Any MTI box I ever encountered was just a "dumb" enclosure... no smarts...
Supermicro builds their own cards and motherboards.
MTI bought SF2, and got into the RAID biz.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-03/business/fi-577_1_silicon-valley
8:59 p.m.
On 12/10/14 4:39 PM, Joseph Lenox wrote:
It came with this hard drive array:
http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
Micro Technology, Inc. in Anaheim
9:06 p.m.
I was thinking more on the lettering on the data ports, and I'm wondering
if it's a double-ended Ultra-wide SCSI. The ports look similar to a 68-pin
MicroD.
I'm a complete noob when it comes to sussing out the SCSI variants and what
is and isn't compatible.
--Joseph Lenox
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 12/10/14 4:39 PM, Joseph Lenox wrote:
It came with this hard drive array: http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
Micro Technology, Inc. in Anaheim
9:12 p.m.
The onboard SCSI on the C360 is only single-ended so you won't be able to
do differential SCSI unless you have a separate card. The "DE SCSI" label
on the back of the MTI would give me pause as well. This stuff all came
together? Is there an extra SCSI card installed in the workstation?
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Joseph Lenox <lenox.joseph at gmail.com>
wrote:
I was thinking more on the lettering on the data
ports, and I'm wondering
if it's a double-ended Ultra-wide SCSI. The ports look similar to a 68-pin
MicroD.
I'm a complete noob when it comes to sussing out the SCSI variants and what
is and isn't compatible.
--Joseph Lenox
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 12/10/14 4:39 PM, Joseph Lenox wrote:
It came with this hard drive array: http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
Micro Technology, Inc. in Anaheim
9:16 p.m.
I didn't spot one, but it was given to us something like 10 years ago. I
pulled the case off of this one before a year or so ago, and I'm concerned
that it might have gotten lost in the shop and then sent out to be surplus
by the student workers. -.-;
I've got some cash to spend on it, though, assuming I can find a card that
has in-kernel drivers for HP-UX 10.20.
--Joseph Lenox
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
The onboard SCSI on the C360 is only single-ended so
you won't be able to
do differential SCSI unless you have a separate card. The "DE SCSI" label
on the back of the MTI would give me pause as well. This stuff all came
together? Is there an extra SCSI card installed in the workstation?
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Joseph Lenox <lenox.joseph at gmail.com>
wrote:
I was thinking more on the lettering on the data
ports, and I'm wondering
if it's a double-ended Ultra-wide SCSI. The ports look similar to a
68-pin
MicroD.
I'm a complete noob when it comes to sussing out the SCSI variants and
what
is and isn't compatible.
--Joseph Lenox
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 12/10/14 4:39 PM, Joseph Lenox wrote:
It came with this hard drive array: http://imgur.com/a/0JSZW
Micro Technology, Inc. in Anaheim
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