Well, a while ago I was soliciting ns32k hardware of all sorts and while the Symmetric was mentioned as an example, no one was offering a unit for sale, trade, or otherwise. I don't recall anyone having production numbers, but "few" seems appropriate... Darned shame, it's a very fine looking box. I'd love to have one, as I'm sure would at least a few others. --Steve. PS - Thanks to all who responded to that earlier thread, esp. David Fellows and Al Kossow.