Ok, maybe some people with more experience lifting classic hardware can help me out here. I'm definitely going to get that prime that was offered here recently. It looks by the pictures to be about waist-high, but they tell me it's about 600lbs. That sounds heavy to me. :) Out of curiosity, is this normal? Deskside SGIs manage to be much lighter, while being almost as large. Admittedly, that includes a terminal, and a large (8U?) terminal server. I've estimated that stuff at about 100 pounds generously (I think), which leaves 500 in the machine. My question is, does anyone know how many people it takes to lift this comfortably? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '