11 Oct
2005
11 Oct
'05
11:07 p.m.
Fellow classic'ers,
I've been all over Intel's site and Google, and have come up empty.
I have here a 4MB PCMCIA 'FLASH' card with Intel's name and colors on it. I
know it has a standard MS-DOS filesystem on it, and I'm trying to find a driver to
read the thing under Windows 2000 Pro.
I'll resort to FreeBSD if I have to, but I would prefer otherwise. I've tried the
current version of SystemSoft's CardWizard Pro with no luck.
Ideas? Declarations? Speeches about how looney the whole idea is?
Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal
ports?"
12 Oct
12 Oct
8:04 a.m.
Look for CardSoft / CardWizard from Systemsoft. It should include FFS
drivers if I'm not mistaken to write to this card.
-Chandra
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Bruce Lane
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:07 PM
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: Need a driver: Intel PCMCIA Flash card
Fellow classic'ers,
I've been all over Intel's site and Google, and have come up empty.
I have here a 4MB PCMCIA 'FLASH' card with Intel's name and colors
on it. I know it has a standard MS-DOS filesystem on it, and I'm trying to
find a driver to read the thing under Windows 2000 Pro.
I'll resort to FreeBSD if I have to, but I would prefer otherwise.
I've tried the current version of SystemSoft's CardWizard Pro with no luck.
Ideas? Declarations? Speeches about how looney the whole idea is?
Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with
surreal ports?"
14 Oct
14 Oct
9:30 p.m.
Thanks, but re-read my original post. I've already tried CardSoft/CardWizard with
ZERO results.
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On 12-Oct-05 at 08:04 Chandra Bajpai wrote:
Look for CardSoft / CardWizard from Systemsoft. It
should include FFS
drivers if I'm not mistaken to write to this card.
-Chandra
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Bruce Lane
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:07 PM
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: Need a driver: Intel PCMCIA Flash card
Fellow classic'ers,
I've been all over Intel's site and Google, and have come up empty.
I have here a 4MB PCMCIA 'FLASH' card with Intel's name and colors
on it. I know it has a standard MS-DOS filesystem on it, and I'm trying to
find a driver to read the thing under Windows 2000 Pro.
I'll resort to FreeBSD if I have to, but I would prefer otherwise.
I've tried the current version of SystemSoft's CardWizard Pro with no luck.
Ideas? Declarations? Speeches about how looney the whole idea is?
Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with
surreal ports?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal
ports?"
12 Oct
12 Oct
8:14 a.m.
All,
On 10/12/05, Bruce Lane <kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com> wrote:
I've been all over Intel's site and Google, and have come up empty.
I have here a 4MB PCMCIA 'FLASH' card with Intel's name and colors on
it. I know it has a standard MS-DOS filesystem on it, and I'm trying to find a driver
to read the thing under Windows 2000 Pro.
I'll resort to FreeBSD if I have to, but I would prefer otherwise. I've
tried the current version of SystemSoft's CardWizard Pro with no luck.
Ideas? Declarations? Speeches about how looney the whole idea is?
I am guessing, by looking at the size of the card, this is a Type II
card. Most PCMCIA card readers fitted to laptops and PCs will only
read Type III PCMCIA memory cards.
Do you know what wrote the filesystem on the card?
Simon
--
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"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is
the utility of the final product."
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh
6:54 p.m.
On 10/12/05, Simon Fryer <fryers at gmail.com> wrote:
I am guessing, by looking at the size of the card,
this is a Type II
card. Most PCMCIA card readers fitted to laptops and PCs will only
read Type III PCMCIA memory cards.
Perhaps you have an off-by-one error?
Most recent laptops only have a single Type II slot, but many Pentium
laptops have a "dual Type II/Type III socket" meaning you can use two
Type II cards simultaneously or one Type III (the thickness of the
card blocks the upper slot)
Type I cards were strange and most semi-modern stuff doesn't support
them, AFAIK.
-ethan
8:24 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
On 10/12/05, Simon Fryer <fryers at gmail.com>
wrote:
But aren't most of those Intel Series 2b cards Type I? I mean the ones
that hold IOS images in slightly older Ciscos.
As far as I can tell, they're just a bit thinner than your average
ethernet/wireless/etc card.
Peace... Sridhar
I am guessing, by looking at the size of the card,
this is a Type II
card. Most PCMCIA card readers fitted to laptops and PCs will only
read Type III PCMCIA memory cards.
Perhaps you have an off-by-one error?
Most recent laptops only have a single Type II slot, but many Pentium
laptops have a "dual Type II/Type III socket" meaning you can use two
Type II cards simultaneously or one Type III (the thickness of the
card blocks the upper slot)
Type I cards were strange and most semi-modern stuff doesn't support
them, AFAIK. 
9:57 p.m.
New subject: Cleaning out some stuff
Hi there.
I'm clearing out some stuff, so I'll be posting a couple items at a time. I'm
just looking for a nominal amout, plus shipping. Not worth the effort of putting them on
eBay.
Diamond Stealth 64 PCI (I believe it is 1 or 2 MB, no chips populated in the expansion
sockets). $2
4x4MB 30-pin SIMMs (16 MB total). $5 (I have 4 sets of these)
Joe
13 Oct
13 Oct
4:51 a.m.
All,
On 10/12/05, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/05, Simon Fryer <fryers at gmail.com>
wrote:
My memory appears to have that off-by-one error. The two cards I have
on my desk that require the special reader didn't have anything to say
what type they are.
I am guessing, by looking at the size of the
card, this is a Type II
card. Most PCMCIA card readers fitted to laptops and PCs will only
read Type III PCMCIA memory cards.
Perhaps you have an off-by-one error? Most recent laptops only have a single Type II slot,
but many Pentium
laptops have a "dual Type II/Type III socket" meaning you can use two
Type II cards simultaneously or one Type III (the thickness of the
card blocks the upper slot)
Type I cards were strange and most semi-modern stuff doesn't support
them, AFAIK.
Simon
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is
the utility of the final product."
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh
17 Oct
17 Oct
1:11 p.m.
On 10/11/05, Bruce Lane <kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com> wrote:
Fellow classic'ers,
I've been all over Intel's site and Google, and have come up empty.
I have here a 4MB PCMCIA 'FLASH' card with Intel's name and colors on it.
I know it has a standard MS-DOS filesystem on it, and I'm trying to find a
driver to read the thing under Windows 2000 Pro.
You shouldn't need a driver for it if it's formatted with a standard MS-DOS
file system. PCMCIA flash drives (and compact flash) just appear as drives
on vanilla IDE controllers. I haven't seen one that wasn't recognized when
inserted. Do other PCMCIA cards work on the system? Does the card tell you
which standard it's manufactured to (cardbus or cardbus II?)
Eric
I'll resort to FreeBSD if I have to, but I would prefer otherwise. I've
tried the current version of SystemSoft's
CardWizard Pro with no luck.
Ideas? Declarations? Speeches about how looney the whole idea is?
Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with
surreal ports?"
2:28 p.m.
Eric J Korpela wrote:
On 10/11/05, Bruce Lane <kyrrin at
bluefeathertech.com> wrote:
I thought someone would chime in on this before now with the answer, or
I would have brought it up sooner. There are basically two types of
flash memory on PCMCIA cards. The first type, which was basically a
linear addressable type, more like ram, is what I think the OP has.
That one requires drivers in the operating system that manages the flash
file system (FFS). Because flash memory is generally limited on the
number of write cycles it can have before it starts to fail, the FFS
implements a scheme that rotates through the flash memory array so that
least recently used cells are used next. This maximizes the life of the
entire array by not continuously writing to the same cells, like the
ones that contain directory information.
As far as I know there is no FFS built into Windows. Linear flash
memory was not used that often for several reasons. Only one was the
complexity of the FFS overhead. They were very expensive in the days of
linear flash PCMCIA cards.
Flash memory in PCMCIA cards became practical, affordable, and easy to
use all at the same time. That was when they were packaged in "ATA
Flash". The smarts to use LRU (Least Recently Used) cells was packaged
right in the card. And the interface on those cards were the same as
the Type III rotating memory cards. The cards with hard drives in them
used that interface. So to the system that you plugged them into ATA
Flash cards just appeared as small hard drives. The guts of the card
did all the extra handling to make the actual flash cells work.
The last time I fiddled with linear flash on PCMCIA it was in the DOS
days and I probably used CardSoft or similar package for DOS. When ATA
Flash came out in PCMCIA there was almost no reason to use linear flash
anymore, so I don't know what would be needed today to make it work.
BTW, the one linear flash card I have in my desk is also an Intel. It
is marked "Value Series 100" and is labeled for 5volt operation.
Hope this clears it up a bit.
Dave Mabry
Fellow classic'ers,
I've been all over Intel's site and Google, and have come up empty.
I have here a 4MB PCMCIA 'FLASH' card with Intel's name and colors on it.
I know it has a standard MS-DOS filesystem on it, and I'm trying to find a
driver to read the thing under Windows 2000 Pro.
You shouldn't need a driver for it if it's formatted with a standard MS-DOS
file system. PCMCIA flash drives (and compact flash) just appear as drives
on vanilla IDE controllers. I haven't seen one that wasn't recognized when
inserted. Do other PCMCIA cards work on the system? Does the card tell you
which standard it's manufactured to (cardbus or cardbus II?)
Eric
I'll resort to FreeBSD if I have to, but I would prefer otherwise. I've
>tried the current version of SystemSoft's CardWizard Pro with no luck.
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>Ideas? Declarations? Speeches about how looney the whole idea is?
>
>Thanks much.
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