20 Jan
2016
20 Jan
'16
2:22 p.m.
I need to recover some files from a SCSI drive that failed over a decade ago.? Are there
data recovery services that can determine if the files on the drive can be recovered or
can actually do such a recovery?? Now that I think about it, I recently also had a fairly
new Western Digital drive suddenly no longer be seen by any Windows PC and I really need
many of the files on it.? Can anybody here tell me if drive manufacturers offer recovery
services? I ask this since I saw a post somewhere that Seagate offers some sort of file
recovery via cloud storage.
As you can tell, I am by no means super-knowledgeable about modern systems since I am from
the WANG 2200 MVP, WANG PC, and WANG Basic 2C era, and still have a few pieces of WANG
hardware collecting dust.
I apologize if I am posting this to a group where it is inappropriate.
Thank You,
John
20 Jan
20 Jan
2:26 p.m.
I need to recover some files from a SCSI drive that
failed over a decade
ago.?? Are there data recovery services that can determine if the files on
the drive can be recovered or can actually do such a recovery??? Now that
I think about it, I recently also had a fairly new Western Digital drive
suddenly no longer be seen by any Windows PC and I really need many of the
files on it.?? Can anybody here tell me if drive manufacturers offer
recovery services? I ask this since I saw a post somewhere that Seagate
offers some sort of file recovery via cloud storage.
As you can tell, I am by no means super-knowledgeable about modern systems
since I am from the WANG 2200 MVP, WANG PC, and WANG Basic 2C era, and
still have a few pieces of WANG hardware collecting dust.
I apologize if I am posting this to a group where it is inappropriate.
Thank You,
John
Hi John,
There are many of them- we've used OnTrack (Kroll) and DriveSavers.
The services can be expensive (in the thousands, typically) so the data has
to be pretty valuable to you in order to proceed.
-Pete
21 Jan
21 Jan
1:30 a.m.
On 01/20/2016 11:26 AM, Pete Rittwage wrote:
The services can be expensive (in the thousands,
typically) so the data has
to be pretty valuable to you in order to proceed.
I'll second Drivesavers--they've recovered very damaged drives,
including a few buried in mud after a hurricaine. They'll rebuild a
drive if they have to.
They're also one of the few companies who have working relationships
with SSD makers and claim that they can un-brick many dead SSDs.
Nice people, too. But yes, expensive, very.
--Chuck
6:50 a.m.
Iv had some luck with drives where the head gets suck in the park position.
If the drive spins up then shuts down it could be this. Bit of an
agricultural fix but, take the lid off and give the head a slight nudge off
the centre and get the lid back on quick. I'm lead to believe this will
only work with old drives dew to the tolerances in gap of head to platter.
Big risk with this is crashing the head into the disk but iv used it a few
time with 100% success. The drives were from early 90s
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 01/20/2016 11:26 AM, Pete Rittwage wrote:
The services can be expensive (in the thousands, typically) so the data has
to be pretty valuable to you in order to
proceed.
I'll second Drivesavers--they've recovered very damaged drives, including
a few buried in mud after a hurricaine. They'll rebuild a drive if they
have to.
They're also one of the few companies who have working relationships with
SSD makers and claim that they can un-brick many dead SSDs.
Nice people, too. But yes, expensive, very.
--Chuck
6:53 a.m.
On 21 January 2016 at 12:50, Peter Faraday <pchatt30 at gmail.com> wrote:
Iv had some luck with drives where the head gets suck
in the park position.
If the drive spins up then shuts down it could be this. Bit of an
agricultural fix but, take the lid off and give the head a slight nudge off
the centre and get the lid back on quick. I'm lead to believe this will
only work with old drives dew to the tolerances in gap of head to platter.
Big risk with this is crashing the head into the disk but iv used it a few
time with 100% success. The drives were from early 90s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction#Hard_disk_drives
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20 Jan
20 Jan
2:46 p.m.
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016, JC White wrote:
I need to recover some files from a SCSI drive that
failed over a decade
ago.?? Are there data recovery services that can determine if the files
on the drive can be recovered or can actually do such a recovery??? Now
that I think about it, I recently also had a fairly new Western Digital
drive suddenly no longer be seen by any Windows PC and I really need
many of the files on it.?? Can anybody here tell me if drive
manufacturers offer recovery services? I ask this since I saw a post
somewhere that Seagate offers some sort of file recovery via cloud
storage.
Recovery services tend to be expensive. You'll need to decide just how
much the data is worth to you. Seriously.
If the problem is "external" (a problem with the circuit board attached to
the drive), then repair or replacement of that board may work.
Try DriveSavers
If the problem is "internal", then you will not like what it costs.
But, NSA could almost certainly recover your data.
2:48 p.m.
If the problem is merely corruption of the file system, but the hardware
is still working well, then the repairs could be almost trivial.
3:35 p.m.
On 01/20/2016 11:22 AM, JC White wrote:
I need to recover some files from a SCSI drive that
failed over a decade ago. Are there data recovery services that can determine if the
files on the drive can be recovered or can actually do such a recovery? Now that I think
about it, I recently also had a fairly new Western Digital drive suddenly no longer be
seen by any Windows PC and I really need many of the files on it. Can anybody here tell
me if drive manufacturers offer recovery services? I ask this since I saw a post somewhere
that Seagate offers some sort of file recovery via cloud storage.
As you can tell, I am by no means super-knowledgeable about modern systems since I am
from the WANG 2200 MVP, WANG PC, and WANG Basic 2C era, and still have a few pieces of
WANG hardware collecting dust.
I apologize if I am posting this to a group where it is inappropriate.
Thank You,
John
If the drive's PCB turned out to be the problem, could an identical
drive model act as a donor for a known-to-be-good PCB? Of course this
would depend on the model of the drive. Perhaps you can share that info
and experts here may have better ideas.
Then you just need to find the same model...and I just drilled out four
old SCSI drives the other day to kill the data dead (software company's
drives). Didn't think to save the PCBs...
This could also be a 'shake & bake' drive that needs a bit of trickery
to get spinning...
John :-#)#
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5:39 p.m.
On 2016-01-20 5:00 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:35:22PM -0800, John
Robertson wrote:
Same.
To John: Where are you located? That will probably influence
recommendations.
--Toby
If the drive's PCB turned out to be the
problem, could an identical
drive model act as a donor for a known-to-be-good PCB?
I've done this on modern drives. It is not particularly tricky.
mcl
5:53 p.m.
On 01/20/2016 2:00 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:35:22PM -0800, John
Robertson wrote:
Yes, I know, it depends on the age of the drive as I suspect early ones
were possibly tuned to the mechanics of the drive. Nothing made after
2000 is likely to care much though.
John :-#)#
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If the drive's PCB turned out to be the
problem, could an identical
drive model act as a donor for a known-to-be-good PCB?
I've done this on
modern drives. It is not particularly tricky.
mcl
21 Jan
21 Jan
12:54 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 02:53:07PM -0800, John Robertson wrote:
Yes, I know, it depends on the age of the drive as I
suspect early ones were
possibly tuned to the mechanics of the drive. Nothing made after 2000 is
likely to care much though.
Of course I should have stated that I used that drive _exactly once_
to archive the bits off of it. There is no way I would run something
like that in production ever again (even on a desktop).
In this case if some data had fallen due to bad-block-rot, it would
still have been better than having 0%.
(Really, there were a small number of files that had not been backed
up elsewhere.)
mcl
20 Jan
20 Jan
6:06 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:35:22PM -0800, John
Robertson wrote:
It can work. But I remember reading that each PCB keeps track of bad
physical blocks; if you transplant the PCB from another drive, you might
end up with a different set of bad blocks beings saved.
I still haven't gotten rich enough to use his services, but I've talked
to this guy named Scott Moulton, who charges $50 evaluation fee + $750
per drive. He also teaches classes on doing it yourself (for big bucks).
His web site is <http://myharddrivedied.com/>.
(On one of mine, I was hoping data recovery would be cheap due to the
cause being in the filesystem rather than the media, but he charges the
same rate regardless.)
--
Eric Christopherson
If the drive's PCB turned out to be the
problem, could an identical
drive model act as a donor for a known-to-be-good PCB?
I've done this on modern drives. It is not particularly tricky.
mcl 
7:26 p.m.
On January 20, 2016 at 5:06:19 PM, Eric Christopherson (echristopherson at gmail.com)
wrote:
It can work. But I remember reading that each PCB keeps track of bad?
physical blocks; if you transplant the PCB from another drive, you might?
end up with a different set of bad blocks beings saved.?
I still haven't gotten rich enough to use his services, but I've talked?
to this guy named Scott Moulton, who charges $50 evaluation fee + $750?
per drive. He also teaches classes on doing it yourself (for big bucks).?
His web site is <http://myharddrivedied.com/>.?
I?ve worked with Scott Moulton. He?s reasonable compared to some vendors. YMMV, but I find
him to be extremely helpful. You can email his firm and they will talk over options with
you before you send the drive in. The $50 does not obligate you to anything (other than
the $50).
I can?t recall exactly what he told me but many modern drives have a chip on it that would
need to be moved to a donor PCB in order to spin up the drive. I want to say there is some
encryption involved the the chip provides. It?s been too long since I received that email
from him and I can?t find it.
Also, it?s worth doing a little bit of Googling for modern drives and problems. I got
_very_ lucky one day with a drive which was known to have a firmware bug in it that would
occasionally lose its ability to determine the drive size. With help from the web, I was
able to rig up a USB-to-TTL converter, connect to certain pins on the drive, then access
the firmware shell and repair the drive. I don?t want to give any indication that this was
easy. It took quite a few days of trying. Not only did it involve the converter, but there
was a process where you?d insert paper between certain PCB contacts and the hard drive to
interrupt the spin-up process as that was your window to get access to the firmware. But
it actually worked and I was able to image the drive and move the contents to a new
drive.?
So put the model number into Google and see if you can find a common failure that has a
fix.?
Cheers,
m
5:45 p.m.
Den 2016-01-20 kl. 21:35, skrev John Robertson:
On 01/20/2016 11:22 AM, JC White wrote:
Replacing the drive board could work. Some modern drives saves a table
with data about the media in a on board flash that needs to be moved to
the new board.
I've done that a couple of times with good results when the failure was
on the board. (In one case obvious physically damaged board.)
There are several companies that sells replacement boards on eBay and
they usually require your old board first to move the flash, then you
get back the broken board and a second one with the correct flash.
By the way, I'm getting a copy of everything from cctalk without being
subscribed to it so I can't remove that subscription. It means I'm
getting dual copies for everything on cctech and that's a bit annoying,
could someone with access to the list server remove me from cctalk, please.
I understand that this originated in some server upgrade / crash / major
outage and I was hoping it would go back to normal after a while... it
didn't. Thanks for all the work whoever you are that manages this list. :-)
G?ran
I need to recover some files from a SCSI drive
that failed over a
decade ago. Are there data recovery services that can determine if
the files on the drive can be recovered or can actually do such a
recovery? Now that I think about it, I recently also had a fairly
new Western Digital drive suddenly no longer be seen by any Windows
PC and I really need many of the files on it. Can anybody here tell
me if drive manufacturers offer recovery services? I ask this since I
saw a post somewhere that Seagate offers some sort of file recovery
via cloud storage.
As you can tell, I am by no means super-knowledgeable about modern
systems since I am from the WANG 2200 MVP, WANG PC, and WANG Basic 2C
era, and still have a few pieces of WANG hardware collecting dust.
I apologize if I am posting this to a group where it is inappropriate.
Thank You,
John
If the drive's PCB turned out to be the problem, could an identical
drive model act as a donor for a known-to-be-good PCB? Of course this
would depend on the model of the drive. Perhaps you can share that
info and experts here may have better ideas.
Then you just need to find the same model...and I just drilled out
four old SCSI drives the other day to kill the data dead (software
company's drives). Didn't think to save the PCBs...
This could also be a 'shake & bake' drive that needs a bit of trickery
to get spinning...
John :-#)#
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