28 May
2013
28 May
'13
11:38 a.m.
From: Fred Cisin
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:19 PM
Should we define Esperanto as a "living human
language"?
That is a question that has arisen in the context of creole studies and
the study of linguistic universals in linguistics. Esperanto as defined
by Zamenhof violates several apparent universals of human language, and
speakers have smoothed out some of those rough edges.
In addition, there are reports of native speakers of Esperanto, defined
as children for whom it is the first language, learned in environments
in which only Esperanto was spoken. These reports have been questioned,
as one might imagine, but I personally have not followed up on them as
they fall outside my personal interests.
So: If there are children who speak it natively, then the answer to
Fred's question is certainly "yes". Given the very large community for
whom it is a useful second language, with literature as well, then the
answer is "yes, probably". If it were restricted (as it is not) to a
minimal vocabulary with no potential for growth, then the answer would
be "certainly not".
I'm of the "yes, probably" camp most of the time.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
28 May
28 May
12:15 p.m.
On 05/28/2013 11:38 AM, Rich Alderson wrote:
So: If there are children who speak it natively, then
the answer to
Fred's question is certainly "yes". Given the very large community for
whom it is a useful second language, with literature as well, then the
answer is "yes, probably". If it were restricted (as it is not) to a
minimal vocabulary with no potential for growth, then the answer would
be "certainly not".
Ah, but Esperanto is just another language expressed with vowel and
consonant sounds. I'd like to see Solresol as a natural language.
--Chuck
12:30 p.m.
Ah, but Esperanto is just another language expressed
with vowel and
consonant sounds.
Well...I'd say, rather, which uses sounds in ways that can reasonably
be classified as vowels and consonants. (Admittedly this is a fine
distinction.)
I'd like to see Solresol as a natural language.
I believe there is some indigenous people somewhere which has a
language whose sounds are all what a Westerner would call whistling; it
is used for (what is for them) long-distance communication, in part
because their land lends itself well to long-distance propagation of
such sounds.
I think they have another language which is used for short-range
face-to-face communication, but I don't think that invalidates the
point of view that the other one is a perfectly good language.
Unfortunately I can't recall details. If I'm not totally hallucinating
the memory, perhaps someone with better Web-fu than I can dig them up.
If you just want natural languages that aren't based on
vowel-and-consonant sounds, many of the sign languages used by the deaf
qualify. (There exist sign "languages" which are just signs
correpsonding to the letters of some other language's writing system,
but there are also sign languages which are truly languages in their
own right. I'm talking about the latter, here.)
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2:37 p.m.
On 05/28/2013 12:30 PM, Mouse wrote:
I believe there is some indigenous people somewhere
which has a
language whose sounds are all what a Westerner would call whistling; it
is used for (what is for them) long-distance communication, in part
because their land lends itself well to long-distance propagation of
such sounds.
Some Basque shepherds have a whistled language--the advantage being that
the sounds carry better than, say--uh, Basque.
--Chuck
2:38 p.m.
On Tue, 28 May 2013 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT)
Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
I believe there is some indigenous people somewhere
which has a
language whose sounds are all what a Westerner would call whistling;
[...]
Maybe you had this in mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbo_Gomero_language
Example, not linked from the above:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Silbo.ogg
--
\end{Jochen}
\ref{http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/}
3:12 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
Sunshine EPROM programmer: ISA card, external box with 4 28 pin
ZIF sockets, cable, manual, disk(s)
Sunshine IC tester: ISA card, external nox with 20 pin ZIF socket, cable,
manual, disk(s)
FPUIB (Free Pickup In Berkeley), or $20 for either or both Priority mail.
3:46 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
On 05/28/2013 03:12 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Sunshine EPROM programmer: ISA card, external box
with 4 28 pin
ZIF sockets, cable, manual, disk(s)
That's the BW-904? I had only one 5.25" floppy with mine. What makes
you so special with the folks in Taiwan?
One of those computer faire specials.
ISTR that the port address is fixed (unalterable). As I recall, I could
only get mine to run with a PC XT-type system. It didn't work at all
with AT and faster.
--Chuck
4:03 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
It interferes with VGA cards so PC/XT I guess or something with EGA?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 6:46 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
On 05/28/2013 03:12 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Sunshine EPROM programmer: ISA card, external box
with 4 28 pin
ZIF sockets, cable, manual, disk(s)
That's the BW-904? I had only one 5.25" floppy with mine. What makes
you so special with the folks in Taiwan?
One of those computer faire specials.
ISTR that the port address is fixed (unalterable). As I recall, I could
only get mine to run with a PC XT-type system. It didn't work at all
with AT and faster.
--Chuck
5:29 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
On 05/28/2013 04:58 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
(One of my bookmarks) It seems that some poor benighted soul has
actually done modifications to the thing to get it to work on other systems:
http://www.danbbs.dk/~rmadrm/eprom9.htm
The odd thing is that mine is as described as the EW-904 in the web
page, but is labeled on the software floppy as a BW-904.
--Chuck
It interferes
with VGA cards so PC/XT I guess or something with EGA?
It worked flawlessly with VGA on my 386...
4:57 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
Hey, I have one of that, and the schematic of the SAC201 ISA board :oD
---
Enviado do meu Motorola PT550
Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
Sunshine EPROM programmer: ISA card, external box
with 4 28 pin
ZIF sockets, cable, manual, disk(s)
Sunshine IC tester: ISA card, external nox with 20 pin ZIF socket, cable,
manual, disk(s)
FPUIB (Free Pickup In Berkeley), or $20 for either or both Priority mail.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
> Sunshine EPROM programmer: ISA card, external
box with 4 28 pin
> ZIF sockets, cable, manual, disk(s)
>
> Sunshine IC tester: ISA card, external nox with 20 pin ZIF socket, cable,
> manual, disk(s)
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Alexandre Souza wrote:
Hey, I have one of that, and the schematic of the
SAC201 ISA board :oD
The manual for the IC tester says "ICT-301"
Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll dig them both out and get the manual info, as
well as what is marked on the boards.
I've had multiple [QUICK!] inquiries for each, so they are probably spoken
for.
29 May
29 May
10:11 a.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
I have enough responses that they are claimed, but . . .
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll dig them both out and
get the manual info, as
well as what is marked on the boards.
The IC tester has a short ISA card with three 6821 chips plus 9 other
DIPs and a 4 pole switch. It is labeled "WTF-8604|4A \n MADE IN TAIWAN"
The manual is 8 little pages, half of which are lists of chips, and refers
to it as "IC TESTER CARD (ICT-301)"
The disk is 5.25" (360K) "V 1.0" 10/07/1986
The ZIF socket box has a 20 pin ZIF socket, and silkscreen illustration
"SUNSHINE" and how to plug in 14,16,18,20, and 24 pin chips! (THAT would
be interesting!
The EPROM burner has 4 28 pin ZIFs, one labelled "Master"
The disk says "IBM EW-904", also a copy of a disk from my previous one.
The manual is 16 little pages, and is labelled
"IBM-PC EPROM WRITER CARD
INSTRUCTION MANUAL"
The card has an 8255 and a dozen other DIPs, and solder pads for an
onboard 28 pin socket. It has a sticker of S/N008295
It is labelled "WTF-851227B" (So "What The Fuck" made them for
Sunshine?)
I was given these by somebody else about 15 years ago, and they have sat.
I used to have (and USE) an earlier Sunshgine EPROM programmer with only
one ZIF. No idea where that is now.
11:47 a.m.
New subject: FPUIB: Please take my Sunshine away
I need to clear out my office at the college (I AM NOW RETIRED!)
I want to get rid of most of 75 boxes.
If anybody resells this crap for megabucks, then I would like an informal
promise of 1% of any amount over $1000, AND that you then come visit
(BRING A TRUCK!)
A lot of this crap will end up dumpstered.
For example, who wants a giant binder containing a xerox of the
"PC-DOS 3.00 Technical Reference Manual" and xerox of most of the
"AT Technical Reference" (first versions - prob'ly NOT pre-release,
but before they were available retail)?
or handful of old issues of Nuts And Volts?
a few OEP? (Japanese English language computer mag)
or the Microtimes with Bob Wallace on the cover? (I can't find a current
contact for Megan Dana-Wallace)
"Laffer Utilities"?
Windows 3.10 Software Development Kit "Guide To Programming" (don't know
yet where the rest of the SDK is)?
Research Institute Of America, "Guide to Sales and Use taxes 1993"?
I may keep the "Pocket Pal : Graphic Arts Production Handbook", the
Oregon highway map, BOB, and the Twin Towers version of MS "Flight
Simulator" (where do you s'pose Osama got the idea?)
But, that's the FIRST of more than 6 dozen such boxes.
Howzbout: a counter "catalog rack" with the HEAVILY used manuals from the
college computer lab, including PC-DOS 2.00, MASM 1.0, PC Tech Ref 1.0?,
IBM PC COBOL?
Periscope? (Brett Salter's NMI based debugger with ISA non-volatile RAM
to be able to load his debugger (or DEBUG) and force a jump to it when
anything is stuck in a loop. Not to be confused with the "IBM
Professional Debug Facility" which was an entire small ISA card to hold a
pushbutton (same functionality, but no protection of the RAM wherte the
debugger was loaded)
PCDT? [Todd Fischer's] Diagnostic ROM to replace BIOS, and with
hardware preconfigured ISA serial card.
There are more hardware and software debuggin tools, including many POST
cards, but I don't know when/if any of them will surface - a few things
disappeared during the three previous moves.
What would anybody pay for a complete set of "PC Tech Journal"?
(if/when those boxes show up)
Wouldn't somebody like to end up like Sellam, and haul away massive
quantitites from my storage to yours?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
21 Jun
21 Jun
9:44 p.m.
New subject: FPUIB: old books to go
I need to clear out my office at the college (I AM NOW RETIRED!)
I want to get rid of most of 75 boxes.
If anybody resells this crap for megabucks, then I would like an informal
promise of 1% of any amount over $1000, AND that you then come visit
(BRING A TRUCK!)
These items are free with pickup in Berkeley - I don't want to get into
running a shippiong operation, so if you won't pick them up in Berkeley,
I'll send Priority Mail Flat Rate boxes, with the shipping rounded UP to
the nearest multiple of $10
Yes, I tried hiring a college kid to do some shipping. SO, now I no
longer even know which items ever went out.
In the event that multiple people want the same item(s), I'll do a lousy
job of prioritizing.
Here's a few items:
Author
Title
Publisher edition date ISBN-10 pages Binding Condition
comments
Note that "Perfect" is a binding type, not a condition.
Even the "New" books will have some handling
Box R6
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 1
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-220-5 740 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 2
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-221-3 564 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 3
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-222-1 430 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 4
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-256-0 414 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Iacobucci
OS/2 Programmer's Guide
Osborne/McGraw-Hill 1988 0-07-881300-X 1100 Perfect
New
Blue Sky
RoboHelp User's manual for Windows and NT
Blue Sky 3rd 1994 490 Perfect New
Blue Sky
Moving To WinHelp '95 : The Book
Blue Sky 1995 80 Perfect New
Microsoft
Printer Information for Microsoft Word
Microsoft 5 1989? 291 Perfect VG .Andy
Shaw. on title page
Cagnon
What's On The Internet
Netcom 1994 254 Perfect New .Complimentary
Netcom Special Edition. .Not for retail sale. (as if anybody would have
paid for one!)
Shelly & Cashman
Introduction To BASIC Programming
Anaheim 1982 0-88236-118-X Perfect New cover
creases
Jamsa
Jamsa's 1001 Windows Tips
Jamsa 1993 0-9635851-0-X Perfect New 3.5. disk,
Windows 3.1
Wirth
Programming In Modula-2
Springer-Verlag 2.01 1983 3-397-12206-0 176 Hardcover
New
Box R5
IBM
IBM Personal Computer Seminar Proceedings : SMB Protocol
IBM 5/85 80 Saddle
IBM
IBM Personal Computer Seminar Proceedings : Xenix 2.0
IBM 3/86 25 Saddle
IBM
IBM OS/2 Information & Planning Guide
IBM 1987 62 Saddle
IBM
OS/2 initial release flyers
11/3/1987 4,6
IBM
Personal Systems
IBM #3 1989? 77 Saddle DOS4 response
time, EMS V XMS,3270 Emulators,writing Presentation Manager apps
RS
TRS80 Color Computer Technical Reference Manual
RS 1981 69 Perfect VG
RS
TRS-80 Micro Computer Technical Referecne Handbook
RS 1978 108 Saddle VG
RS
TRS-80 Model 100 Service Manual
RS 1983 Perfect VG
Cornucopia
Electric Webster : Spelling Checking for TRS80. MANUAL ONLY
1982
Mandeville
Solar Alcohol : The Fuel Revolution
Ambix 1979 127 Perfect annotated/marked up
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume I USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume II USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume II USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume IV USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
Box R4
Motorola
M68000 : 8-/16-/32-Bit Microprocessors : Programmer's Reference Manual
Motorola 5th 1986 0-13-541491-1 Perfect New
Weiskamp
Borland Pascal : Step-By-Step : Includes Coverage of BP V7
Wiley 1994 0-471-30429-8 347 Perfect New
Smith, Harry F.
Data Structures : Form And Function
Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich 1987 0-15-516820-7 785
Hardcover New
Mayer
Assembly Language Programming : 8086/8088, 8087
Wiley 1988 0-471-60504-2 316 Perfect New
Van Wyk, Christopher J.
Data Structures And C Programs
Addison Wesley 1990 0-201-53985-3 387 Hardcover
New
Deitel & Deitel
C : How To Program
Prentice Hall 1992 0-13-118043-6 588 Perfect New
Ansi C
Shurtleff
A Problem Solving Approach To Structured Assembly Language For The IBM PC
& Compatibles
Prentice Hall 1992 0-13-722133-9 320 Hardcover
New
Greenwood
Business Telecommunications
WCB 1988 0-697-06774-2 237 Hardcover New
Bacon
Understanding And Using MS-DOS 6.x
West 1994 0-314-02863-3 455 Spiral New
Kruse, Leung, Tondo
Data Structures And Program Design In C
Prentice Hall 1991 0-13-725649-3 525 Hardcover
New
Horowitz, Sahni, Anderson-Freed
Fundamentals Of Sata Structures In C
Freeman 1993 0-7167-8250-2 585 Hardcover New
Davis
Operating Systems : A Systematic View
Addison Wesley 1987 0-201-11185-3 539 Hardcover
New .Professional Copy Not For Sale.
Anderson, Heinze
C++ Programming And Fundamental Concepts
Prentice Hall 1992 0-13-118266-8 493 Perfect New
Thorne
Computer Organization And Assembly Language programming : For IBM PCs And
Compatibles
Benjamin Cummings 2.01 1990 0-8053-6879-5 697 Perfect
New .Professional Copy Not For Sale.
Perry
Advanced C programming By Example
PWS/ITP/Brookes-Cole 1998 0-534-95140-6 304 Perfect
New
Folk/Zoellick
File Structures : A Conceptual Toolkit
Addison Wesley 1988 0-201-12003-8 538 Hardcover
New Yellowed edges (not acid-free? No Ubik)
Grant
Logical Introduction To Databases
Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich 1987 0-15-551175-0 466
Hardcover New .Complimentary Copy Not For Resale.
Lotus
Lotus 1-2-3 For The Poqet PC : Release 2.2 Without Allways : Reference
Lotus New In box,$419 price
tag, NO MEDIA (stolen by Fry's .Service Department.)
Olduvai
Read-it OCR for PC
Olduvai 1.1 G in box,
with 5.25. disk, coupons for 3.5, etc.
Box R3
Hughes, Lawrence E.
System Programming Under CP/M-80
Reston 1983 0-8359-7456-1 197 Perfect VG
Cortesi
Inside CP/M : A Guide For Users And Programmers : with CP/M-86 and MP/M2
Holt,Rhinehart, & Winston 1982 0-03-059558-4 567
Perfect G cover crease
Insignia
SoftPC for Macintosh
Insignia 1.3 Slipcase box new? 6
3.5., 1 5.25. .NOT FOR RESALE.
OCR Systems
ReadRight : Page Recognition For Everyone
OCR Systems 2.01 Wire-O, ziplock 4
3.5.
Personal Systems Publications
How To Repair And Maintain Your Own IBM PC/XT
Personal Systems 1984 0-915087-00-1 Comb VG
.CISIN. on title page
Scanlon
IBM PC Assembly Language : A Guide For Programmers
BradyPrentice-Hall 1983 0-89303-241-7 309 Perfect G
.Berkeley Microcomputer. (my company <1986) address stamp on title page
Nelson
The Data Compression Book : Featuring Fast, Efficient Data Compression
Techniques in C
M&T 1991 1-55851-216-0 527 Perfect VG missing
floppy
Wu
An Introduction To Object Oriented programming With : Java
McGraw-Hill 2001 0-07-239684-9 863 Perfect New
Miller, Quilici
Programming In C
Wiley 1986 0-471-81875-5 430 Perfect New
Owen
Business Student's Guide To Using The Internet
Houghton Mifflin 1996 0-395-76714-8 157 Perfect
New 3.5. floppy
Purdum
C Programming Guide
Que 1983 0-88022-02208 250 Perfect New
shelf wear
Hancock
The C Primer
McGraw-Hill 1982 0-07-025981-X 235 Perfect New
.Berkeley Microcomputer. (my company <1986) address stamp on title page
Marek & Seabrook
Programming In C
Delmar 1989 0-8273-2950-4 340 Perfect New
Scanlon
8086/8088/80286 Assembly Language
BradyPrentice-Hall 1988 0-13-246919-7 378 Perfect
New
Microsoft
Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 : Mixed Language programming Guide
Microsoft 1987 140 Perfect New Corners
rounded in preparation for heavy use
Microsoft
Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 : Codeview & Utilities
Microsoft 1987 401 Perfect New C Language
Microsoft
Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.1 : Mixed language Programming Guide
Microsoft Shrink
wrapped with disk
Box R2
Microsoft
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition : Retail User's Guide
Microsoft 663 Tape New 8.5x11,
registration marks for trimming
Microsoft
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition : Software Development Kit Extension :
Installation and Reference Guide
Microsoft Tape New 8.5x11,
registration marks for trimming, Text in English!
Microsoft
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition : Device Development Kit Extension :
Installation Guide and WIFE Programming Manual
Tape New 8.5x11,
registration marks for trimming, Text in English! Got a WIFE?
Aho & Ullman
Foundations Of Computer Science
Freeman 1? 1992 0-7167-8233-2 765 Hardcover New
Pascal
Sprankle
Problem Sol;ving and Programming Concepts
MacMillen 2 1992 0-02-415340-0 395 Perfect New
Forsythe
Answer manual and Transparency masters for : An Introduction ot IBM DOS
(MS-DOS/PC-DOS)
Brookside 1? 1989 0-924491-01-9 354 Perfect New
Sanchez
Instructor's Manual with program Diskette forAssembly Language Tools &
Techniques For The IBM Microcomputers
Prentice Hall 1? 1989? 0-13-05-386-X 80? Saddle New
5.25. diskette, LED? SIM87?
Bronson & Menconi
A First Book of ANSI C : Fundamentals Of C Programming
West 2 1996 0-314-07336-1 697 Perfect New 3.5.
diskette
Byte September 1983 9/83
Portable Computers
PC Magazine 7/90
Graphic Word Processors
IBM Personal Systems Technical Journal
4,89 Micro Channel Architecture
Byte 8/83
C Language
Byte 10/83
Unix
PC Tech Journal 11/84
Mini-Micro Systems 2/87
SCSI for non-drives
Softalk 4/84
Phillips
.Comprehensive. DOS 5.0/6.0/6.2 : With Windows 3.1
Course Technology 1994 1-56527-150-5 552 Perfect
New 3.5. diskette
Phillips
.Comprehensive. DOS 5.0/6.0/6.2 : With Windows 3.1
Course Technology 1994 1-56527-150-5 552 Perfect
New Yeah, there really are TWO copies
Grady
Instrustor's Manual to Accompany C! Programming Principles and Practices
Mitchell ? ? ? Comb New Shrink
wrapped with disk
Lin, Forest
Instructor's manual for The DOS 6 Coursebook, Lab Activities
Scott Jones 1993 Looseleaf binder
3 3.5. diskettes
Box R1
Author(s)
Title
Publisher Edition Year ISBN-10 pages Binding Condition notes
(Note: "Perfect" is the industry term for paperback binding, NOT a
statement of condition)
Nickerson, Robert
Fundamentals of FORTRAN77 Programming
Little,Brown 3rd 1985 0-316-60653-7 537 p Perfect New
shelf
Qualls, Bill
Mainframe Assembler Programming : A Complete Quick-Start Course In
Assembler For Business Applications : Mainframe Assembler On Your PC!
Wiley 1 1998 0-471-24993-9 563 Perfect New 3.5.
floppy
Hanly, Jeri R. & Koffman, Elliott B.
Problem Solving & Program Design in C
Addison Wesley 3rd 1999 0-201-35748-8 770+ Perfect
New
Yarmish & Yarmish
Assembly Language Fundamentals : 360/370 : OS/VS DOS/VS
Addison Wesley 1 1979 0-201-08798-7 768 Hardcover
New SHELF DAMAGE
Motorola
Fast And LS TTL Data
2? 1988 ? Perfect new? .DL121 Rev 3.
Lotus
Lotus 123 Release 2.2 : Reference
Lotus 2? 1989 ? Perfect new? worn
Oberlin & Cox?
Microsoft CD-ROM Yearbook : 1990
Microsoft Press 1? 1989 1-55615-179-9 935 Perfect New
Duncan, Ray
The MS-DOS Encyclopedia
Microsoft Press 1? 1988 1-55615-049-0 1570 Hardcover
New shelf, dustjacket worn
Duncan, Ray
The MS-DOS Encyclopedia
Microsoft Press 1? 1988 1570 Perfect New
Boillot
Understanding FORTRAN
West 2? 1981 0-8299-0355-0 505 Perfect New .CISIN. on
top p-age edge
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
22 Jun
22 Jun
12:28 a.m.
New subject: FPUIB: old books to go
Some of them are interesting for me. I'll send you a message off-list.
Spc.
2013/6/22, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>:
I need to clear out my office at the college (I AM NOW
RETIRED!)
I want to get rid of most of 75 boxes.
If anybody resells this crap for megabucks, then I would like an informal
promise of 1% of any amount over $1000, AND that you then come visit
(BRING A TRUCK!)
These items are free with pickup in Berkeley - I don't want to get into
running a shippiong operation, so if you won't pick them up in Berkeley,
I'll send Priority Mail Flat Rate boxes, with the shipping rounded UP to
the nearest multiple of $10
Yes, I tried hiring a college kid to do some shipping. SO, now I no
longer even know which items ever went out.
In the event that multiple people want the same item(s), I'll do a lousy
job of prioritizing.
Here's a few items:
Author
Title
Publisher edition date ISBN-10 pages Binding Condition
comments
Note that "Perfect" is a binding type, not a condition.
Even the "New" books will have some handling
Box R6
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 1
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-220-5 740 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 2
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-221-3 564 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 3
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-222-1 430 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Microsoft
OS/2 Programmer's Reference : Volume 4
Microsoft 1.1 1989 1-55615-256-0 414 Perfect New
warp from not lying flat
Iacobucci
OS/2 Programmer's Guide
Osborne/McGraw-Hill 1988 0-07-881300-X 1100 Perfect
New
Blue Sky
RoboHelp User's manual for Windows and NT
Blue Sky 3rd 1994 490 Perfect New
Blue Sky
Moving To WinHelp '95 : The Book
Blue Sky 1995 80 Perfect New
Microsoft
Printer Information for Microsoft Word
Microsoft 5 1989? 291 Perfect VG .Andy
Shaw. on title page
Cagnon
What's On The Internet
Netcom 1994 254 Perfect New .Complimentary
Netcom Special Edition. .Not for retail sale. (as if anybody would have
paid for one!)
Shelly & Cashman
Introduction To BASIC Programming
Anaheim 1982 0-88236-118-X Perfect New cover
creases
Jamsa
Jamsa's 1001 Windows Tips
Jamsa 1993 0-9635851-0-X Perfect New 3.5. disk,
Windows 3.1
Wirth
Programming In Modula-2
Springer-Verlag 2.01 1983 3-397-12206-0 176 Hardcover
New
Box R5
IBM
IBM Personal Computer Seminar Proceedings : SMB Protocol
IBM 5/85 80 Saddle
IBM
IBM Personal Computer Seminar Proceedings : Xenix 2.0
IBM 3/86 25 Saddle
IBM
IBM OS/2 Information & Planning Guide
IBM 1987 62 Saddle
IBM
OS/2 initial release flyers
11/3/1987 4,6
IBM
Personal Systems
IBM #3 1989? 77 Saddle DOS4 response
time, EMS V XMS,3270 Emulators,writing Presentation Manager apps
RS
TRS80 Color Computer Technical Reference Manual
RS 1981 69 Perfect VG
RS
TRS-80 Micro Computer Technical Referecne Handbook
RS 1978 108 Saddle VG
RS
TRS-80 Model 100 Service Manual
RS 1983 Perfect VG
Cornucopia
Electric Webster : Spelling Checking for TRS80. MANUAL ONLY
1982
Mandeville
Solar Alcohol : The Fuel Revolution
Ambix 1979 127 Perfect annotated/marked up
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume I USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume II USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume II USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
USPS ZIP + 4 California Directory Volume IV USPS
1986 2340 Perfect G
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Motorola
M68000 : 8-/16-/32-Bit Microprocessors : Programmer's Reference Manual
Motorola 5th 1986 0-13-541491-1 Perfect New
Weiskamp
Borland Pascal : Step-By-Step : Includes Coverage of BP V7
Wiley 1994 0-471-30429-8 347 Perfect New
Smith, Harry F.
Data Structures : Form And Function
Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich 1987 0-15-516820-7 785
Hardcover New
Mayer
Assembly Language Programming : 8086/8088, 8087
Wiley 1988 0-471-60504-2 316 Perfect New
Van Wyk, Christopher J.
Data Structures And C Programs
Addison Wesley 1990 0-201-53985-3 387 Hardcover
New
Deitel & Deitel
C : How To Program
Prentice Hall 1992 0-13-118043-6 588 Perfect New
Ansi C
Shurtleff
A Problem Solving Approach To Structured Assembly Language For The IBM PC
& Compatibles
Prentice Hall 1992 0-13-722133-9 320 Hardcover
New
Greenwood
Business Telecommunications
WCB 1988 0-697-06774-2 237 Hardcover New
Bacon
Understanding And Using MS-DOS 6.x
West 1994 0-314-02863-3 455 Spiral New
Kruse, Leung, Tondo
Data Structures And Program Design In C
Prentice Hall 1991 0-13-725649-3 525 Hardcover
New
Horowitz, Sahni, Anderson-Freed
Fundamentals Of Sata Structures In C
Freeman 1993 0-7167-8250-2 585 Hardcover New
Davis
Operating Systems : A Systematic View
Addison Wesley 1987 0-201-11185-3 539 Hardcover
New .Professional Copy Not For Sale.
Anderson, Heinze
C++ Programming And Fundamental Concepts
Prentice Hall 1992 0-13-118266-8 493 Perfect New
Thorne
Computer Organization And Assembly Language programming : For IBM PCs And
Compatibles
Benjamin Cummings 2.01 1990 0-8053-6879-5 697 Perfect
New .Professional Copy Not For Sale.
Perry
Advanced C programming By Example
PWS/ITP/Brookes-Cole 1998 0-534-95140-6 304 Perfect
New
Folk/Zoellick
File Structures : A Conceptual Toolkit
Addison Wesley 1988 0-201-12003-8 538 Hardcover
New Yellowed edges (not acid-free? No Ubik)
Grant
Logical Introduction To Databases
Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich 1987 0-15-551175-0 466
Hardcover New .Complimentary Copy Not For Resale.
Lotus
Lotus 1-2-3 For The Poqet PC : Release 2.2 Without Allways : Reference
Lotus New In box,$419 price
tag, NO MEDIA (stolen by Fry's .Service Department.)
Olduvai
Read-it OCR for PC
Olduvai 1.1 G in box,
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Hughes, Lawrence E.
System Programming Under CP/M-80
Reston 1983 0-8359-7456-1 197 Perfect VG
Cortesi
Inside CP/M : A Guide For Users And Programmers : with CP/M-86 and MP/M2
Holt,Rhinehart, & Winston 1982 0-03-059558-4 567
Perfect G cover crease
Insignia
SoftPC for Macintosh
Insignia 1.3 Slipcase box new? 6
3.5., 1 5.25. .NOT FOR RESALE.
OCR Systems
ReadRight : Page Recognition For Everyone
OCR Systems 2.01 Wire-O, ziplock 4
3.5.
Personal Systems Publications
How To Repair And Maintain Your Own IBM PC/XT
Personal Systems 1984 0-915087-00-1 Comb VG
.CISIN. on title page
Scanlon
IBM PC Assembly Language : A Guide For Programmers
BradyPrentice-Hall 1983 0-89303-241-7 309 Perfect G
.Berkeley Microcomputer. (my company <1986) address stamp on title page
Nelson
The Data Compression Book : Featuring Fast, Efficient Data Compression
Techniques in C
M&T 1991 1-55851-216-0 527 Perfect VG missing
floppy
Wu
An Introduction To Object Oriented programming With : Java
McGraw-Hill 2001 0-07-239684-9 863 Perfect New
Miller, Quilici
Programming In C
Wiley 1986 0-471-81875-5 430 Perfect New
Owen
Business Student's Guide To Using The Internet
Houghton Mifflin 1996 0-395-76714-8 157 Perfect
New 3.5. floppy
Purdum
C Programming Guide
Que 1983 0-88022-02208 250 Perfect New
shelf wear
Hancock
The C Primer
McGraw-Hill 1982 0-07-025981-X 235 Perfect New
.Berkeley Microcomputer. (my company <1986) address stamp on title page
Marek & Seabrook
Programming In C
Delmar 1989 0-8273-2950-4 340 Perfect New
Scanlon
8086/8088/80286 Assembly Language
BradyPrentice-Hall 1988 0-13-246919-7 378 Perfect
New
Microsoft
Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 : Mixed Language programming Guide
Microsoft 1987 140 Perfect New Corners
rounded in preparation for heavy use
Microsoft
Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 : Codeview & Utilities
Microsoft 1987 401 Perfect New C Language
Microsoft
Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.1 : Mixed language Programming Guide
Microsoft Shrink
wrapped with disk
Box R2
Microsoft
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition : Retail User's Guide
Microsoft 663 Tape New 8.5x11,
registration marks for trimming
Microsoft
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition : Software Development Kit Extension :
Installation and Reference Guide
Microsoft Tape New 8.5x11,
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Microsoft
Windows 3.0 Chinese Edition : Device Development Kit Extension :
Installation Guide and WIFE Programming Manual
Tape New 8.5x11,
registration marks for trimming, Text in English! Got a WIFE?
Aho & Ullman
Foundations Of Computer Science
Freeman 1? 1992 0-7167-8233-2 765 Hardcover New
Pascal
Sprankle
Problem Sol;ving and Programming Concepts
MacMillen 2 1992 0-02-415340-0 395 Perfect New
Forsythe
Answer manual and Transparency masters for : An Introduction ot IBM DOS
(MS-DOS/PC-DOS)
Brookside 1? 1989 0-924491-01-9 354 Perfect New
Sanchez
Instructor's Manual with program Diskette forAssembly Language Tools &
Techniques For The IBM Microcomputers
Prentice Hall 1? 1989? 0-13-05-386-X 80? Saddle New
5.25. diskette, LED? SIM87?
Bronson & Menconi
A First Book of ANSI C : Fundamentals Of C Programming
West 2 1996 0-314-07336-1 697 Perfect New 3.5.
diskette
Byte September 1983 9/83
Portable Computers
PC Magazine 7/90
Graphic Word Processors
IBM Personal Systems Technical Journal
4,89 Micro Channel Architecture
Byte 8/83
C Language
Byte 10/83
Unix
PC Tech Journal 11/84
Mini-Micro Systems 2/87
SCSI for non-drives
Softalk 4/84
Phillips
.Comprehensive. DOS 5.0/6.0/6.2 : With Windows 3.1
Course Technology 1994 1-56527-150-5 552 Perfect
New 3.5. diskette
Phillips
.Comprehensive. DOS 5.0/6.0/6.2 : With Windows 3.1
Course Technology 1994 1-56527-150-5 552 Perfect
New Yeah, there really are TWO copies
Grady
Instrustor's Manual to Accompany C! Programming Principles and Practices
Mitchell ? ? ? Comb New Shrink
wrapped with disk
Lin, Forest
Instructor's manual for The DOS 6 Coursebook, Lab Activities
Scott Jones 1993 Looseleaf binder
3 3.5. diskettes
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Title
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(Note: "Perfect" is the industry term for paperback binding, NOT a
statement of condition)
Nickerson, Robert
Fundamentals of FORTRAN77 Programming
Little,Brown 3rd 1985 0-316-60653-7 537 p Perfect New
shelf
Qualls, Bill
Mainframe Assembler Programming : A Complete Quick-Start Course In
Assembler For Business Applications : Mainframe Assembler On Your PC!
Wiley 1 1998 0-471-24993-9 563 Perfect New 3.5.
floppy
Hanly, Jeri R. & Koffman, Elliott B.
Problem Solving & Program Design in C
Addison Wesley 3rd 1999 0-201-35748-8 770+ Perfect
New
Yarmish & Yarmish
Assembly Language Fundamentals : 360/370 : OS/VS DOS/VS
Addison Wesley 1 1979 0-201-08798-7 768 Hardcover
New SHELF DAMAGE
Motorola
Fast And LS TTL Data
2? 1988 ? Perfect new? .DL121 Rev 3.
Lotus
Lotus 123 Release 2.2 : Reference
Lotus 2? 1989 ? Perfect new? worn
Oberlin & Cox?
Microsoft CD-ROM Yearbook : 1990
Microsoft Press 1? 1989 1-55615-179-9 935 Perfect New
Duncan, Ray
The MS-DOS Encyclopedia
Microsoft Press 1? 1988 1-55615-049-0 1570 Hardcover
New shelf, dustjacket worn
Duncan, Ray
The MS-DOS Encyclopedia
Microsoft Press 1? 1988 1570 Perfect New
Boillot
Understanding FORTRAN
West 2? 1981 0-8299-0355-0 505 Perfect New .CISIN. on
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28 May
28 May
9:52 p.m.
I believe
there is some indigenous people somewhere which has a
language whose sounds are all [] whistling; [...]
Maybe you had this in mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbo_Gomero_language 
10:59 p.m.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:52:31AM -0400, Mouse wrote:
Maybe. I thought it was a completely distinct language on its own, but
what I remember is fuzzy enough that the thing described certainly
could have been Silbo Gomero as outlined in that wikipedia page.
I think you are thinking about the Pirah?. An indigenous tribe in the
Amazon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people
The language can be whistled solely because it has very few phonemes
(only eight consonants and three vowels), but tone and syllable length
is important and that translates well to whistling.
There are some controversies around their language such as if there is
recursion.
They are quite amazing :) This documentary is worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtBR2vfgzU
(the link is to a trailer with some nice examples of whistling)
The documentary seems somewhat biased and Noam Chomsky is portrayed as
bit of a dick.
Cheers,
Pontus.
I believe there is some indigenous people somewhere
which has a
language whose sounds are all [] whistling; [...]
Maybe you had this in mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbo_Gomero_language 
29 May
29 May
12:37 a.m.
On May 29, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> wrote:
I think you are thinking about the Pirah?. An
indigenous tribe in the
Amazon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtBR2vfgzU
(the link is to a trailer with some nice examples of whistling)
The documentary seems somewhat biased and Noam Chomsky is portrayed as
bit of a dick.
Not to wander too far off topic (but I can't help myself, given the topic and being a
linguist by profession). That trailer is completely in character -- Everett seems always
to aim to reveal the sensational evidence that will destroy the underpinnings of
scientific linguistic research. He's kind of an attention seeker. The basic gist of
the story is that a remote group that he did fieldwork with (and which nearly nobody else
has) has a language that doesn't conform to the apparent constraints that all other
languages seem to conform to, hypothesized to be that way due to the structure of the
human brain. But one Underdog with The Truth dares to contradict The Man who Controls the
Field, the Old Ways crumble and a New Era of Enlightenment begins (in which the properties
of language are taken to follow not from being human but from the structure of the
culture). It's transparently ridiculous, really, even if there are truly interesting
and new things to learn from the language of the Pirah?.
If you're interested in looking at one of the more coherent early discussions of ways
in which Everett's story doesn't really hold together, this article is one to skim
over (it's probably hopelessly technical for those outside the field, but it's
still possible to get the idea -- essentially that the things Everett says are unusual
about Pirah? are either misunderstood/mischaracterized, and/or show up in various ways in
other languages too, and under different cultural conditions, so can't really just be
a consequence of the special Pirah? culture):
http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/000411
I'll refrain from getting into a big discussion here. Just the note and the link.
-Paul
30 May
30 May
1:17 p.m.
From: Paul Hagstrom
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:37 AM
On May 29, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Pontus Pihlgren
<pontus at Update.UU.SE> wrote:
> I think you are thinking about the Pirah?. An
indigenous tribe in the
> Amazon.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtBR2vfgzU
> (the link is to a trailer with some nice examples of whistling)
> The documentary seems somewhat biased and Noam
Chomsky is portrayed as
> bit of a dick.
Not to wander too far off topic (but I can't help
myself, given the
topic and being a linguist by profession). That trailer is completely
in character -- Everett seems always to aim to reveal the sensational
evidence that will destroy the underpinnings of scientific linguistic
research.
Most (all?) of what I've seen regarding the language of the Pirah? has been
postings on the Linguist mailing list; I've never been interested enough
to follow up, since most of those have made the language appear to be a
linguistic equivalent of INTERCAL in the world of computer science, and
my impressions of Mr. Everett seem to have been spot on.
Thanks for sharing your views. I, too, will withdraw from further discussion.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
29 May
29 May
6:39 a.m.
I believe
there is some indigenous people somewhere which has a
language whose sounds are all [] whistling; [...]
Maybe you had [Silbo Gomero] in
mind:
28 May
28 May
1:07 p.m.
New subject: ASL (Was: Esperanto as natural language [was RE: Learning
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
There are ongoing battles over whether American Sign Language (and
Esperanto) are "languages" or not. (Including whether they should be
accepted for the "Foreign Language Requirement" for college degrees)
The usual arguments against it are:
1) It doesn't have a written form, and a "language is spoken AND
written, and it is neither"
2) "It's just charades in English"
Opponents of it generally know NOTHING about it, but nevertheless consider
themselves "experts" (college administrators are uninterested in the
o[pinions of their own Linguistics department); they also reject
Esperanto, based on "it can't be a language, because it was artificially
created"
1) True. But, there are other "languages" without a written form
(Hawaiin?), and certainly some that do not currently have a spoken form
(Sanskrit?)
2) Although it DOES have grammar and syntax, neither match English.
"train go sorry"
So: If there
are children who speak it natively, then the answer to
Fred's question is certainly "yes". Given the very large community for
whom it is a useful second language, with literature as well, then the
answer is "yes, probably". If it were restricted (as it is not) to a
minimal vocabulary with no potential for growth, then the answer would
be "certainly not".
Ah, but Esperanto is just another language expressed
with vowel and
consonant sounds. I'd like to see Solresol as a natural language. 
29 May
29 May
5:48 a.m.
New subject: ASL (Was: Esperanto as natural language [was RE: Learning
Fred Cisin wrote:
1) True. But, there are other "languages"
without a written form
(Hawaiin?), and certainly some that do not currently have a spoken form
(Sanskrit?)
Sanskrit *definitely* still has a spoken form.
Peace... Sridhar
28 May
28 May
12:38 p.m.
Esperanto as defined by Zamenhof violates several
apparent universals
of human language, [...]
Now I'm curious. Which ones, and how?
In addition, there are reports of native speakers of
Esperanto,
defined as children for whom it is the first language, learned in
environments in which only Esperanto was spoken.
I also recall reading of a Lojbanist who tried to raise a child
speaking Lojban natively. IIRC, the child was something like seven at
the time of writing of the piece I saw, and had pretty much stopped
using Lojban. I didn't see anything bearing on the question I find
most interesting, that being whether/how Lojban as spoken natively
differed from Lojban as originally defined.
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29 May
29 May
7:02 a.m.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 03:38:48PM -0400, Mouse wrote:
I also recall reading of a Lojbanist who tried to
raise a child
speaking Lojban natively. IIRC, the child was something like seven at
the time of writing of the piece I saw, and had pretty much stopped
using Lojban. I didn't see anything bearing on the question I find
most interesting, that being whether/how Lojban as spoken natively
differed from Lojban as originally defined.
http://www.xkcd.com/191/
I'm sorry, but I had to, I know nothing of "Lojbanists"
/P
7:46 a.m.
I also recall
reading of a Lojbanist who tried to raise a child
speaking Lojban natively. [...]
http://www.xkcd.com/191/
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