13 Apr
2001
13 Apr
'01
2:34 a.m.
I'll join in ...
SWTPC 6800 with 6809 CPU
Zx81
BBC-B . A killer homecomputer, if not for the limited memory..
M68000 SBC ( with a 4MHz 68000...)
2 Mac Plus
2 Compaq Lunchboxes with plasma scrren.
PDP8/L , power supply/ transformer dead . Anybody has some numbers on the
secondary voltages so i can rewire a new one ?The various pdp8 websites do
not have this information...
ASR33, needs a clean and some debugging....
PDP8/E with TU56, 2x RK05, IOMEC papertape reader, Facit punch
PDP8/F with TU56 and DSD440
PDP8/A with TU56 and RL01
VT100, hacked about to contain an 11/23, with external ST412, runs RX11.
Anybody has some RT11 manuals available.
Tek4014 in running state
Philips P856 16 bit mini, no peripherals, no software...
A TTL based 12bit computer of my own design.
Plus some spares and various bits&pieces, and no room left...
Jos Dreesen
13 Apr
13 Apr
10:14 a.m.
Nice to see someone is collecting some "real computers". I have some
microfiche on the PDP8 and if you can tell me the power supply model
number, I may be able to look up the transformer voltages for you...
--tom
At 08:34 AM 4/13/01 +0200, you wrote:
I'll join in ...
SWTPC 6800 with 6809 CPU
Zx81
BBC-B . A killer homecomputer, if not for the limited memory..
M68000 SBC ( with a 4MHz 68000...)
2 Mac Plus
2 Compaq Lunchboxes with plasma scrren.
PDP8/L , power supply/ transformer dead . Anybody has some numbers on the
secondary voltages so i can rewire a new one ?The various pdp8 websites do
not have this information...
ASR33, needs a clean and some debugging....
PDP8/E with TU56, 2x RK05, IOMEC papertape reader, Facit punch
PDP8/F with TU56 and DSD440
PDP8/A with TU56 and RL01
VT100, hacked about to contain an 11/23, with external ST412, runs RX11.
Anybody has some RT11 manuals available.
Tek4014 in running state
Philips P856 16 bit mini, no peripherals, no software...
A TTL based 12bit computer of my own design.
Plus some spares and various bits&pieces, and no room left...
Jos Dreesen
11:12 a.m.
New subject: My Collection
Marian Capel wrote:
PDP8/F with TU56 and DSD440
PDP8/A with TU56 and RL01
VT100, hacked about to contain an 11/23, with external ST412, runs RX11.
Anybody has some RT11 manuals available.
Jos Dreesen
Jerome Fine replies:
Interesting collection. I had not realized that DSD made a controller for the
PDP8, just for the PDP-11. Also I am really surprised that DEC made
an RL01 controller for the PDP8.
AS for your VT100, it sounds like you might have a VT103 which was a standard
DEC product. Does it use a dual 11/23 but have added a 3rd party MFM controller
with its own boot ROM or are you using a quad 11/23 and an RQDX1?
In my case, I used a Sigma RQD11-B controller that I borrowed for a while
(too expensive at the time) with a dual 11/23, M8059 memory (1/4 MByte)
and a DLV11-J. The ST412 was placed INSIDE the VT100 under the tube.
Later, the backplane was upgraded to 22 bits, a 4 MByte memory substituted
along with a dual 11/73 and a Sigma RQD11-EC ESDI controller. In this
case, the drives were outside running on a PC power supply. A DHV11
was also added. This system was only used as a demo a few times since
the power consumption of the 5 boards was too high for the VT103 to
take a chance. But having 10 others terminals and a printer hanging off the
VT103 and 2.4 GBytes of disk space in the back was rather impressive
just for the fun of the experiment.
By the way, all this was running RT-11/TSX-PLUS. I have a friend who
may be getting rid of his PDP-11 systems and there are probably some
RT-11 manuals. But they are heavy. The shipping would be expensive.
And he may want some payment, especially for the SCSI host adapter -
Peter Turnbull are you interested?
Also, I am not surprised, but no one seems to consider software as part
of their collection. Is it because they are mostly copies that have been
"acquired" or because software is not really considered collectable by
most list participants? From my point of view, the software is far more
important since eventually (100 years?, 200 years?) the hardware will
not be able to be repaired, but the software should always be able to
run under an emulator. For the PDP-11, I use the emulator 90% of
the time at this point since I don't need to switch systems plus the emulator
runs 3 times as fast as the actual DEC 11/83 hardware even under a
Pentium 166 MMX. When I finally upgrade the PC to a 1 GHz system
in a few years (assuming that I can still run W95/W98), the difference
will be even greater.
Does anyone on the list run RT-11 still other than Megan Gentry?
Do you tinker with the operating system code at all? Does anyone
care about the RT-11 Operating System?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
11:51 a.m.
New subject: Vintage Computing Collection
Here's my collection of vintage computing equipment:
Apple IIc (Qty: 2)
Apple IIe (Bell & Howell)
Apple IIgs
Apple Mac 128K
Apple Mac IIfx
Apple Mac LC
Apple Mac SE
Apple Macintosh Portable
Apple Newton H1000
Apple Newton MessagePad 110
Apple Newton MessagePad 110 Prototype
Atari 400
Cardiac Paper Computer
Coleco Adam
Commodore C64
Data General Aviion
Data General Nova III
DEC Alphastation 255
DEC Computer Lab (Qty: 7)
DEC CR11 Card Reader
DEC LSI-11
DEC MINC-11
DEC PC11 Paper Tape Reader/Punch
DEC PDP-11/05 (card set only)
"DEC PDP-11/34 (TU10, 2xRK05)"
DEC PDP-11/45
DEC PDP-11/73 (Qty: 2)
"DEC PDP-11/83 (TU80, TK50)"
DEC PDP-16 (RTM card set)
DEC PDP-8/e (2xRX01)
DEC PDP-8/m
DEC Shark (Qty: 2)
DEC TU55 DECtape
DEC TU56 Dual DECtape
DEC Vax 4000 VLC (Qty: 5)
DEC VT05
DEC VT100
DEC VT40
DEC VT52
DECmate I
DECmate II
DECmate III
DECsystem 2020
Everex Freestyle
Heathkit H11 (2xRX01)
HP 9810a
HP 9825a (Qty: 2)
HP 9825b (Qty: 2)
HP-85 (Qty: 2)
HP-86
Hyperion
IBM 1131
IBM 5110 (BASIC only)
IBM 5120 (BASIC/APL)
IBM PCjr
IMSAI 8080
Intel iPSC/1
Intel PDS
Kaypro 2
Kaypro II (Qty: 4)
Lego Mindstorm
Minivac 601
Netpliance I-Opener
NeXT ColorTurbo Slab
NeXT Cube
OP-80A Paper Tape Reader
Osborne 1
Radio Shack Color Computer
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I
Rockwell AIM-65
Sequent Symmetry
Silicon Graphics Indy
Sun SPARCstation 1 (Qty: 2)
Sun SPARCstation 5
Symbolics 3620
Tektron Logic Lab
Tektronix 4051
Teletype ASR-33
TI 59
USRobotics PalmPilot
Vectrex
Victor 9000
Xitan Z-80
Zymate II Robot
Wish list:
CADO Cat
DEC GT-40
DEC Straight-8
DEC PDP-12
DEC PDT-11/150
DEC TC11 DECtape controller
Heathkit H8
Heathkit EC-1
Heathkit Hero-series Robot
IBM 5100 (Basic/APL w/Tape)
SCM Marchant Cogito 240SR
Xerox Alto
Xerox D-class system
Wang Labs had an integrated desktop system that ran BASIC and had a
cassette tape for storage. I don't recall the model number and I haven't
seen even a reference to one on the web, but I remember it from high school
and I want one!
1:12 p.m.
New subject: Vintage Computing Collection
At 11:51 AM 4/13/01 -0400, Tony Eros wrote:
Here's my collection of vintage computing
equipment:
...
Wang Labs had an integrated desktop system that ran BASIC and had a
cassette tape for storage. I don't recall the model number and I haven't
seen even a reference to one on the web, but I remember it from high
school and I want one!
It was probably a Wang 2200 PCS. The PCS-II was similar, except that it
didn't have the integral cassette drive and instead had a pair of 5.25"
floppies on top that were really ugly. It might have been one of the WCS
models (WCS/10 or WCS/20) but I'm not very familiar with those to know how
they were different from the PCS.
I learned to program on a PCS with 8KB of RAM. It is my #1 wish list, and
I've actively been looking for a couple of years.
You can find some links on my nascent Wang web site at:
http://www.thebattles.net/wang/wang.html
In particular, there is a picture of a PCS-II here:
http://www.gaby.de/ewang.htm
Check out the two subordinate pages that I've written that compare Wang
BASIC to MS BASIC and that lists which CPU models had which BASIC
statements. I hope it brings back some memories for you -- it did for me!
I have a fantasy of writing an emulator for the 2200, but I don't know if
it will be practical without schematics, as the 2200 used a microcoded TTL CPU.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
1:40 p.m.
New subject: Vintage Computing Collection
Jim -
Are you _sure_ you don't already have a PCS? Maybe it's tucked away behind
Woz and the shrinkwrapped Cray :-)
-- Tony
At 10:12 AM 4/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:
At 11:51 AM 4/13/01 -0400, Tony Eros wrote:
Here's my collection of vintage computing
equipment:
...
Wang Labs had an integrated desktop system that ran BASIC and had a
cassette tape for storage. I don't recall the model number and I haven't
seen even a reference to one on the web, but I remember it from high
school and I want one!
It was probably a Wang 2200 PCS. The PCS-II was similar, except that it
didn't have the integral cassette drive and instead had a pair of 5.25"
floppies on top that were really ugly. It might have been one of the WCS
models (WCS/10 or WCS/20) but I'm not very familiar with those to know how
they were different from the PCS.
I learned to program on a PCS with 8KB of RAM. It is my #1 wish list, and
I've actively been looking for a couple of years.
You can find some links on my nascent Wang web site at:
http://www.thebattles.net/wang/wang.html
In particular, there is a picture of a PCS-II here:
http://www.gaby.de/ewang.htm
Check out the two subordinate pages that I've written that compare Wang
BASIC to MS BASIC and that lists which CPU models had which BASIC
statements. I hope it brings back some memories for you -- it did for me!
I have a fantasy of writing an emulator for the 2200, but I don't know if
it will be practical without schematics, as the 2200 used a microcoded TTL CPU.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
2:09 p.m.
New subject: Vintage Computing Collection
For some reason I've stuck with a bunch of DEC stuff, and mostly q-bus.
(boring I know but fun to hack on)
Da House:
MicroVAX II/GPX (BA123)
MicroVAX II (BA23/Pedestal)
VAXStation 3200 (BA23/Pedestal)
MicroVAX II (Dual BA23 Rack)
MicroVAX 3800 (BA213)
MicroVAX 3800 (BA213, with a MicroVAX 3400 cover)
VAXServer 3400 (BA213)
MicroVAX 3400 (BA213)
MicroVAX 3600 (H9644, missing RA81)
VAX 4000/200 (BA215 w/ R215 expansion)
VAX 4000/200 (BA400 short rack)
VAX 4000/200 (BA400 pedestal)
VAX 4000/300 (BA440, pedestal)
VAX 4000/700A (BA440, pedestal)
VAXStation 3100/M38 (BA42)
VAXStation 3100/M76 (BA42, x2)
VAX 4000/VLC (BA10, x6)
VAX 4000/60 (BA??)
VAX 4000/90 (BA??)
MIPS
DECStation 5000/240
DECStation 3100
DECSystem 5500 (BA213)
PDP-11
PDP-11/34a Industrial (RL11 + RLO2)
PDP-11/34a Corporatate (TU60 + parallel I/O)
PDP-11/23 (BA23, RX02, RL02, corporate rack)
PDP-11/73 (in a 11/23 chassis :-)
PDP-11/02 (BA23)
PDP-8
PDP-8/e 4K, short box
PDP-8/f 24K, long box (8/e box really, with FPU)
PDP-8/m (two of these, both short box)
I'm in the process of putting together and 'blueprinting' my VAXen so that
I can store them more efficiently with all their components.
The MIPS stuff is available for trade but the 5500 may be spoken for.
--Chuck
2:41 p.m.
New subject: My Collection
--- Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> wrote:
The RL8A. I got one back in college because I couldn't find an RK8E for
even twice the price, and RL01 drives were going for <$100 (plus shipping,
natch). It maps the 5Mb disk to two primary virtual devices and to a third,
smaller, slower virtual device. There is also an RL02 handler which maps the
10Mb to, I think, five virtual devices, but I've never run it.
There is also an optional RL02 controller for the DECmate I, but I've never
seen it. My DECmate has the floppy controller and a single cable (DC37->DB25),
but there is a Y cable that will let you run two sets of RX02 drives. You can
even fit both sets in the DECmate pedestal, but I've never bothered to try. I
have a couple of table-top RX02 enclosures that do nicely.
Marian Capel
wrote:
PDP8/F with TU56 and DSD440
PDP8/A with TU56 and RL01
Jerome Fine replies:
Also I am really surprised that DEC made an RL01 controller for the PDP8. Does anyone on the list run RT-11 still other than
Megan Gentry?
Do you tinker with the operating system code at all? Does anyone
care about the RT-11 Operating System?
Not lately, but I used to. I never tinkered much with the OS, just wrote
some stuff in MACRO and played the games.
-ethan
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3:26 p.m.
New subject: My Collection
Marian Capel
wrote:
PDP8/F with TU56 and DSD440
PDP8/A with TU56 and RL01
VT100, hacked about to contain an 11/23, with external ST412, runs RX11.
Anybody has some RT11 manuals available.
Jos Dreesen
Jerome Fine replies:
Interesting collection. I had not realized that DSD made a controller for the
PDP8, just for the PDP-11. Also I am really surprised that DEC made
an RL01 controller for the PDP8. AS for your VT100, it sounds like you might have a
VT103 which was a
Actually he might have something that's totally third party. I've got a
VT100 that someone hacked into a close aproximation of a VT103. Actually
I've been thinking of digging it out of storage and getting it running as
I'm wanting to have a VT100 here at the apartment (or may just dig out a
plain one, would partially depend on what I can get to in storage).
standard DEC product. Does it use a dual 11/23
but have added a 3rd
party MFM controller with its own boot ROM or are you using a
quad 11/23
>and an RQDX1? By the way, all this was running RT-11/TSX-PLUS. I
have a friend who
may be getting rid of his PDP-11 systems and there are probably some
RT-11 manuals. But they are heavy. The shipping would be expensive.
And he may want some payment, especially for the SCSI host adapter -
Peter Turnbull are you interested?
Actually for a system with Doc's, especially if it also includes software,
I personally think shipping is a worthwhile expense.
Also, I am not surprised, but no one seems to consider
software as part
of their collection. Is it because they are mostly copies that have been
"acquired" or because software is not really considered collectable by
most list participants? From my point of view, the software is far more
I'm guessing that it's either becuase they don't want to admit having it,
or people are simply considering it part of the package.
important since eventually (100 years?, 200 years?) the
hardware will
not be able to be repaired, but the software should always be able to
run under an emulator. For the PDP-11, I use the emulator 90% of
the time at this point since I don't need to switch systems plus the emulator
runs 3 times as fast as the actual DEC 11/83 hardware even under a
Pentium 166 MMX. When I finally upgrade the PC to a 1 GHz system
in a few years (assuming that I can still run W95/W98), the difference
will be even greater.
Recently I went on a trip with my wife and we took her laptop and I had E11
on it and a fullsized keyboard. While I like running on the real hardware
I've got to admit that it was nice to
Does anyone on the list run RT-11 still other than
Megan Gentry?
Do you tinker with the operating system code at all? Does anyone
care about the RT-11 Operating System?
Yes, I'm still running it, in fact I had it up last Sunday.
Zane
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