At 12:08 AM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote: The Kyocera KC-85 is well known, although not too common. The case is shaped more like the NEC, but it has the keyboard of the m100. P.S., come to VCF 3.0 and see all the variations (hopefully!) and check out the talk I'm going to do (hopefully!) on the history of all these machines. (If anyone has any info, history, or anecdotes, please get in touch!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/