13 Jun
2001
13 Jun
'01
11:49 a.m.
The source code for uucp is availible any number of places; that's probably
the best existing doco. I occasionally have to dust off my ancient UUCP
sk1llz to get files on and off some antique for a client.
BTW...If one wanted to create an out-of-band network, I dunno if I'd pick
UUCP. There are a number of other approaches to doing this out there that
are more functional, more covert and less baroque.
I can almost remember when I was "...!ucbvax!gatech!weasel!ken". Weasel was
a i386sx/20 running SCO Unix in my apartment, and with a 2400 baud dialin, I
was *way* kewler than those BBS weenies. Mail, USENET News and file
transfer...all you really needed. Peter Honeyman was even around to ask
questions, which helped.
Ken Seefried, CISSP
13 Jun
13 Jun
1:29 p.m.
--- Ken Seefried <ken(a)seefried.com> wrote:
The source code for uucp is availible any number of places; that's probably
the best existing doco. I occasionally have to dust off my ancient UUCP
sk1llz to get files on and off some antique for a client.
When I was a system admin for Lucent (1997-1999), I was amazed at how much
they depend on UUCP for internal file transfer. I cut my teeth on Ultrix
on a VAX-11/730 (for Usenet, before the Great Renaming) and put that knowledge
to practical use to attach my Amiga 1000 to Ohio State (helping to debug the
Amiga UUCP package to be compatible with HDB UUCP). I never expected to
_use_ that knowledge more than 10 years later, let alone be paid for it.
BTW...If one wanted to create an out-of-band network,
I dunno if I'd pick
UUCP. There are a number of other approaches to doing this out there that
are more functional, more covert and less baroque.
I don't know... UUCP has the advantage of working with just about everything
that can take a hard disk but doesn't have Ethernet (Amigas, AT&T 3B1/Unix-PCs,
PDP-11s, etc.). In the case of classic hardware, baroque software is a good
thing - it means you don't have to roll your own. About the only thing that
is more universal than UUCP is Kermit.
I can almost remember when I was
"...!ucbvax!gatech!weasel!ken".
I was "...!ihnp4!cbosgd!osu-eddie!giza!kumiss!erd", among other names. I just
did a web search and I can't find anything posted with my old bang path in it,
but I did find a couple references to "erd(a)kumiss.cmhnet.org".org", our old
local Ham Radio/Computer club UUCP domain. I went grubbing through Deja.com
in the group comp.mail.maps and found this...
#N osu-mps, zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu
#S Sparcstation 2; SunOS 4.1.2
#O Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
#C David Alden
#E osu-mps!postmaster, osu-mps!alden
#T +1 614 292 4962
#P 231 W 18th Ave, Columbus, OH, USA 43210
#L 39 59 N / 83 03 W city
#R
#U cambria coral n8emr
#W alden(a)mps.ohio-state.edu (David J Alden); Mon Aug 24 09:04:31 EDT 1992
#
# This machine's sysname (for news) is actually
"zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu".
# It has ~35 nntp neighbors and is the major news gateway into Columbus, Ohio.
#
osu-mps= zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu
#
osu-mps cambria(DIRECT+HIGH), coral(DIRECT+HIGH),
kumiss(DIRECT), n8emr(DIRECT+HIGH)
And this (once I lost my direct OSU connection...
#N kumiss
#S Commodore-AMIGA 1000; Amiga-DOS V1.3 & Amiga-UUCP V1.15D
#O
#C Ethan Dicks
#E kumiss!erd, kumiss!postmaster
#T +1 614 *** ****
#P **** ** **** ********* ** ******
#L 40 01 00 N / 82 59 40 W
#R This site recieves mail and a partial News feed
#U
#W kumiss!erd (Ethan Dicks); Mon Nov 25 19:07:26 EST 1991
#
kumiss jcnpc(DIRECT)
(I removed the phone and address info because it's still valid and I'd rather
not see it archived yet again in yet another place).
Weasel was
a i386sx/20 running SCO Unix in my apartment, and with a 2400 baud dialin, I
was *way* kewler than those BBS weenies.
I didn't upgrade to 2400 baud until modems fell to $99. Still got that one,
a Goldstar. Haven't powered it on in nearly 10 years.
Mail, USENET News and file transfer...all you really
needed.
I would have liked ftp back in those days, but Kermit did the trick for
most of that sort of thing.
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6:12 p.m.
--- Ken Seefried <ken(a)seefried.com> wrote:
It was pretty much all TCP/IP in '97 in Holmdel.
They've talked about removing the UUCP support inside Lucent but too
many people have embedded it into operations... and I enjoyed still
having it around like an old friend.
I taught 3 different uucp versions at Pyramid Technology -- the SysV pre
HDB one, the 4.3BSD one, and the HDB BNU one. You could literally
install two versions on a machine (one in the AT&T universe and one in
the BSD universe and have your machine talking to itself with two
different UUCP's over ethernet and serial port).
The source code for uucp is availible any number of places; that's probably
the best existing doco. I occasionally have to dust off my ancient UUCP
sk1llz to get files on and off some antique for a client.
When I was a system admin for Lucent (1997-1999), I was amazed at how much
they depend on UUCP for internal file transfer. I don't know... UUCP has the advantage of working
with just about everything
that can take a hard disk but doesn't have Ethernet (Amigas, AT&T 3B1/Unix-PCs,
PDP-11s, etc.). In the case of classic hardware, baroque software is a good
thing - it means you don't have to roll your own. About the only thing that
is more universal than UUCP is Kermit.
Yup.
Kermit's great. I was surprised that my Concurrent Computer
make CCOP1 make file mods were distributed with the recent releases.
They were internal hacks that I never figured would get outside.
(Supported 4.2 BSD Direct/Dirent stuff with SysVR0 stuff and some PD
software).
I can almost remember when I was
"...!ucbvax!gatech!weasel!ken".
I was "...!ihnp4!cbosgd!osu-eddie!giza!kumiss!erd"
6:39 p.m.
--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp480.monmouth.com> wrote:
I wrote:
They used a combination of UUCP over IP and UUCP over some AT&T serial
protocol over fiber. Can't remember the product name. Cost a bundle
for a compatible Sbus card and the license for the driver.
Oh... this was at the Columbus Works (thus cbosgd, cbatt, etc.), formerly a
Western Electric factory.
When I was a system admin for Lucent (1997-1999),
I was amazed at how much
they depend on UUCP for internal file transfer.
It was pretty much all TCP/IP in '97 in Holmdel. They've talked about removing the UUCP support
inside Lucent but too
many people have embedded it into operations...
No doubt.
You could literally install two versions on a machine
(one in the AT&T
universe and one in the BSD universe and have your machine talking to itself
with two different UUCP's over ethernet and serial port).
Never tried that but I'm sure it would work. Kinda gross, though.
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10:49 p.m.
New subject: Datakit
--- Bill Pechter
<pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp480.monmouth.com> wrote:
Datakit... TM 8-)
I wish I knew what that really did on the fiber.
I figure it was some kind of ATM or Frame Relay kind of protocol.
They used to charge per ethernet drop at the labs for TCP/IP.
Datakit was much less expensive internally so they used it more often.
About 3-4 years ago they started the "Atlas Space" project of
cubicle-ization and they stopped charging per port for the 100 BaseT in
the newer area. This meant Datakit was dead.
Main use with Vaxes was through a serial port to datakit mux
unless they got the very expensive card for the Vaxes.
IIRC -- It kind of worked like a Micom Data switch if you were on the
Mux ports. You could connect from your terminal/pc to just about
anywhere.
I guess it kind of reminded me of X.25 connections or micom ports
outside of AT&T/Lucent.
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I wrote:
They used a combination of UUCP over IP and UUCP over some AT&T serial
protocol over fiber. Can't remember the product name. Cost a bundle
for a compatible Sbus card and the license for the driver. When I was a system admin for Lucent (1997-1999),
I was amazed at how much
they depend on UUCP for internal file transfer.
It was pretty much all TCP/IP in '97 in Holmdel.
14 Jun
14 Jun
5:21 a.m.
New subject: Datakit
--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1485.monmouth.com> wrote:
Bingo!
--- Bill
Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp480.monmouth.com> wrote:
Datakit... TM 8-) I wrote:
They used a combination of UUCP
over IP and UUCP over some AT&T serial
protocol over fiber. Can't remember the product name. Cost a bundle
for a compatible Sbus card and the license for the driver. I wish I knew what that really did on the fiber.
I figure it was some kind of ATM or Frame Relay kind of protocol.
I have absolutely no idea.
Main use with Vaxes was through a serial port to
datakit mux
unless they got the very expensive card for the Vaxes.
Right. We didn't have the expensive VAX card, but we did have expensive
Sun cards.
IIRC -- It kind of worked like a Micom Data switch if
you were on the
Mux ports. You could connect from your terminal/pc to just about
anywhere.
Yep. You just had to know what the port was called.
I guess it kind of reminded me of X.25 connections or
micom ports
outside of AT&T/Lucent.
It's also like a never-released product from Software Results called (in-
house) the "Node Box" - it was X.25-like between boxes and had wads of
serial ports for local connectivity. No big deal by today's standards,
but in 1984, it was an advanced product. The idea was that you would
create your own private terminal-server network to route traffic throughout
your company, including between facilities, but back in the days when
9600-baud leased lines were pretty sweet.
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7:02 a.m.
I can almost remember when I was
"...!ucbvax!gatech!weasel!ken".
I was "...!ihnp4!cbosgd!osu-eddie!giza!kumiss!erd" 
7:33 a.m.
At 09:02 AM 6/14/01 -0700, Eric J. Korpela wrote:
Does FidoNet still live? I remember the great USENET
invasion of the early
1990s, and see claims of 38000 nodes in May '95. I notice ftp.fido.org no
longer exists.
http://fidonet.fidonet.org/ still lives, and Tom Jennings
can be found at World Power Systems at http://www.wps.com/about-WPS/index.html .
- John
15 Jun
15 Jun
2:57 a.m.
Eric J. Korpela skrev:
Does FidoNet still live? I remember the great USENET
invasion of the early
1990s, and see claims of 38000 nodes in May '95. I notice ftp.fido.org no
longer exists.
To the very best of my knowledge, yes. There is supposed to be a gateway (at
least to region 21, or was it 19?) at fidonet.pp.se, for example. I still
haven't tried it out, since Usenet is quite a heavy load along with this
multitude of mailing lists.
--
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But a graphical client/server model that slices the interface down some
arbitrary middle is like Solomon following through with his child-sharing
strategy. The legs, heart, and left eye end up on the server, the arms and
lungs go to the client, the head is left rolling around on the floor, and
blood spurts everywhere.
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18 Jun
18 Jun
3:57 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I just did a quick search and found a number of articles from:
pyramid!prls!philabs!trotter!bill
Anybody here who knows where "trotter" was?? Or the significance of the
name?? Or it's sister machine?? :-)
When I was a system admin for Lucent (1997-1999), I was amazed at how much
they depend on UUCP for internal file transfer.
Being the descendant of the creators of UUCP, it doesn't surprise me.
I did a lot of experimienting with UUCP long before the INTERNET as we
know it was even a dream in Vint Cerf's eye. I was even running UUCP
accross ham Packet modems at 1200 baud before the the W0RLI BBS stuff
got going. I never understood the desire to re-invent the wheel, especially
in such an inferior manner when the use of UUCP would have given them
Email and News right out of the box.
I can almost remember when I was
"...!ucbvax!gatech!weasel!ken".
I was "...!ihnp4!cbosgd!osu-eddie!giza!kumiss!erd", among other names. I just
did a web search and I can't find anything posted with my old bang path in it,
but I did find a couple references to
"erd(a)kumiss.cmhnet.org".org", our old
local Ham Radio/Computer club UUCP domain. I went grubbing through Deja.com
in the group comp.mail.maps and found this...
#N osu-mps, zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu
#S Sparcstation 2; SunOS 4.1.2
#O Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
#C David Alden
#E osu-mps!postmaster, osu-mps!alden
#T +1 614 292 4962
#P 231 W 18th Ave, Columbus, OH, USA 43210
#L 39 59 N / 83 03 W city
#R
#U cambria coral n8emr
#W alden(a)mps.ohio-state.edu (David J Alden); Mon Aug 24 09:04:31 EDT 1992
#
# This machine's sysname (for news) is actually
"zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu".
# It has ~35 nntp neighbors and is the major news gateway into Columbus, Ohio.
#
osu-mps= zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu
#
osu-mps cambria(DIRECT+HIGH), coral(DIRECT+HIGH),
kumiss(DIRECT), n8emr(DIRECT+HIGH)
And this (once I lost my direct OSU connection...
#N kumiss
#S Commodore-AMIGA 1000; Amiga-DOS V1.3 & Amiga-UUCP V1.15D
#O
#C Ethan Dicks
#E kumiss!erd, kumiss!postmaster
#T +1 614 *** ****
#P **** ** **** ********* ** ******
#L 40 01 00 N / 82 59 40 W
#R This site recieves mail and a partial News feed
#U
#W kumiss!erd (Ethan Dicks); Mon Nov 25 19:07:26 EST 1991
#
kumiss jcnpc(DIRECT)
Is anyone still maintaining UUCP maps?? Hmmm. I wonder what flows in
that newsgroup nowdays??
bill
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3:46 p.m.
Is anyone still maintaining UUCP maps?? Hmmm. I
wonder what flows in
that newsgroup nowdays??
bill
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Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
They killed the mapping project about 5 years back (or was it 7).
Damned shame...
Time to do it right. Gonna have to find the map parsing
stuff... and give it a go.
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4:46 p.m.
Bill,
See my announcements on the list. I was already in the process of doing
this. I was going to put up a NIC to let people reserve host names and a
map database and start publishing the global maps to comp.mail.maps
again.
Of course, if someone really wants to do it, there's nothing I can do to
stop them nor would I in all likelihood. But I just didn't think it was a good
idea to duplicate efforts.
BTW, they killed the mapping project last year in August or September.
Anthony Clifton
Des Moines, Iowa
Is anyone
still maintaining UUCP maps?? Hmmm. I wonder what flows in
that newsgroup nowdays??
bill
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University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
They killed the mapping project about 5 years back (or was it 7).
Damned shame...
Time to do it right. Gonna have to find the map parsing
stuff... and give it a go.
Bill
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5:48 p.m.
Gee, can I reserve kremvax? :)
g.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Clifton - Retrocomputing.com" <vaxcat(a)retrocomputing.com>
To: <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu>
Cc: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Interest in UUCP?
Bill,
See my announcements on the list. I was already in the process of doing
this. I was going to put up a NIC to let people reserve host names and a
map database and start publishing the global maps to comp.mail.maps
again.
Of course, if someone really wants to do it, there's nothing I can do to
stop them nor would I in all likelihood. But I just didn't think it was a
good
idea to duplicate efforts.
BTW, they killed the mapping project last year in August or September.
Anthony Clifton
Des Moines, Iowa
>> Is anyone still maintaining UUCP maps?? Hmmm. I wonder what flows in
>> that newsgroup nowdays??
>>
>> bill
>>
>> --
>> Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three
wolves
bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on
what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
They killed the mapping project about 5 years back (or was it 7).
Damned shame...
Time to do it right. Gonna have to find the map parsing
stuff... and give it a go.
Bill
---
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villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org 
19 Jun
19 Jun
2:05 a.m.
BTW, they killed the mapping project last year in
August or September.
Anthony Clifton
Des Moines, Iowa
Actually... it was dead for years... The map chances I sent in for the
last 5 just didn't get in.
It appears most of the regional coordinators were gone.
Bill
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13 Jun
13 Jun
7:49 p.m.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ken Seefried wrote:
The source code for uucp is availible any number of
places; that's probably
the best existing doco. I occasionally have to dust off my ancient UUCP
sk1llz to get files on and off some antique for a client.
BTW...If one wanted to create an out-of-band network, I dunno if I'd pick
UUCP. There are a number of other approaches to doing this out there that
are more functional, more covert and less baroque.
[...]
I think it would be interesting if you could somehow use packet radio via
amateur satellites to carry UUCP network traffic. It could definitely be
gatewayed through systems with dialup services or TCP/IP connectivity. I
just think it'd be more interesting if you could add satellites to the mix.
-brian.
18 Jun
18 Jun
4:36 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Brian Chase wrote:
I think it would be interesting if you could somehow use packet radio via
amateur satellites to carry UUCP network traffic. It could definitely be
gatewayed through systems with dialup services or TCP/IP connectivity. I
just think it'd be more interesting if you could add satellites to the mix.
As a protocol, UUCP works great over packet radio, even at really low
data rates. Much better than the BBS protocol that became the standard.
But then, hams always suffered from NIH syndrome.
The packet boxes really only lacked one feature that would have made it
easier. Disconnect on drop of DTR. And that would have been trivial
to add to the TNC2. I am amazed that with the way regular modems were
going that the bigger companies like Kantronics didn't make this at least
an option in their do everything boxes.
Although there is no longer an antenna on the roof, I just peeked through
the hole in the raised floor here in my office and I can see the packet
node hardware is still under there.
bill
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20 Jun
20 Jun
12:57 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
As a protocol, UUCP works great over packet radio,
even at really low
data rates. Much better than the BBS protocol that became the standard.
But then, hams always suffered from NIH syndrome.
This makes me want to get my ham license! I really should have obtained
it years ago after taking communications electronics I and II, but I was
short on time, and never got 'round to it.
Although there is no longer an antenna on the roof, I
just peeked through
the hole in the raised floor here in my office and I can see the packet
node hardware is still under there.
No packet hardware... I guess that my old Utica transciever would be
useless for this. Since we're talking about sending/receiving data in
a classic manner, wouldn't it be neat to use sparc-gap transmitters,
and then never worrying about having to do any form of D/A or A/D
conversion?
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12:59 p.m.
It's my impression the FCC takes a pretty dim view of spark-gap
transmitters. But then I've never been a ham or anything like that.
I don't *do* analog (yet).
No packet hardware... I guess that my old Utica
transciever would be
useless for this. Since we're talking about sending/receiving data in
a classic manner, wouldn't it be neat to use sparc-gap transmitters,
and then never worrying about having to do any form of D/A or A/D
conversion?
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New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
Actually, we got a special permit to activate a spark transmitter
[1000 watts, quenched gap Navy WW I unit] several years ago at the AWA
[Antique Wireless Association] annual meeting in Rochester, NY. We were
allowed a 60 sec transmission once an hour for a 12 hour period for
purposes of "historical demonstration".
I'm sure the harmonics [multiple and MANY] played hell with the local
TV and radio reception. Across the parking lot it could be received
anywhere from 400KC [where it was "supposed to be tuned"] .. on up to
about 50MC or so.
Sorry about the O/T post but it's a special interest area for me.
There a 500 watt, 500 cycle War I Navy transmitter sitting behind me in
my office!
Craig
Jim Strickland wrote:
It's my impression the FCC takes a pretty dim view of spark-gap
transmitters. But then I've never been a ham or anything like that.
I don't *do* analog (yet).
No packet hardware... I guess that my old Utica
transciever would be
useless for this. Since we're talking about sending/receiving data in
a classic manner, wouldn't it be neat to use sparc-gap transmitters,
and then never worrying about having to do any form of D/A or A/D
conversion?
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1:32 p.m.
New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
Actually, we got a special permit to activate a spark transmitter
[1000 watts, quenched gap Navy WW I unit] several years ago at the AWA
[Antique Wireless Association] annual meeting in Rochester, NY. We were
allowed a 60 sec transmission once an hour for a 12 hour period for
purposes of "historical demonstration".
I'm sure the harmonics [multiple and MANY] played hell with the local
TV and radio reception. Across the parking lot it could be received
anywhere from 400KC [where it was "supposed to be tuned"] .. on up to
about 50MC or so.
Sorry about the O/T post but it's a special interest area for me.
There a 500 watt, 500 cycle War I Navy transmitter sitting behind me in
my office!
Craig
Cool, I didn't think the FCC was so accomidating.
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New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
Does that qualify as an early form of spread spectrum;-)
--tom
At 06:22 PM 6/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
Actually, we got a special permit to activate a spark
transmitter
[1000 watts, quenched gap Navy WW I unit] several years ago at the AWA
[Antique Wireless Association] annual meeting in Rochester, NY. We were
allowed a 60 sec transmission once an hour for a 12 hour period for
purposes of "historical demonstration".
I'm sure the harmonics [multiple and MANY] played hell with the local
TV and radio reception. Across the parking lot it could be received
anywhere from 400KC [where it was "supposed to be tuned"] .. on up to
about 50MC or so.
Sorry about the O/T post but it's a special interest area for me.
There a 500 watt, 500 cycle War I Navy transmitter sitting behind me in
my office!
Craig
Jim Strickland wrote:
It's my impression the FCC takes a pretty dim view of spark-gap
transmitters. But then I've never been a ham or anything like that.
I don't *do* analog (yet).
No packet hardware... I guess that my old Utica
transciever would be
useless for this. Since we're talking about sending/receiving data in
a classic manner, wouldn't it be neat to use sparc-gap transmitters,
and then never worrying about having to do any form of D/A or A/D
conversion?
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4:17 p.m.
New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
Craig Smith wrote:
Actually, we got a special permit to activate
a spark transmitter
[1000 watts, quenched gap Navy WW I unit] several years ago at the AWA
[Antique Wireless Association] annual meeting in Rochester, NY. We were
allowed a 60 sec transmission once an hour for a 12 hour period for
purposes of "historical demonstration".
You need a permit? Ack. Anyone want to buy a 50 kV spark gap transmitter,
cheap? ;)
I'm sure the harmonics [multiple and MANY] played hell with the local
TV and radio reception. Across the parking lot it could be received
anywhere from 400KC [where it was "supposed to be tuned"] .. on up to
about 50MC or so.
Sorry about the O/T post but it's a special interest area for me.
There a 500 watt, 500 cycle War I Navy transmitter sitting behind me in
my office!
Craig
Jim Strickland wrote:
>
> It's my impression the FCC takes a pretty dim view of spark-gap
> transmitters. But then I've never been a ham or anything like that.
> I don't *do* analog (yet).
>
> > No packet hardware... I guess that my old Utica transciever would be
> > useless for this. Since we're talking about sending/receiving data in
> > a classic manner, wouldn't it be neat to use sparc-gap transmitters,
> > and then never worrying about having to do any form of D/A or A/D
> > conversion?
>
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> Jim Strickland
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5:04 p.m.
New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ross Archer wrote:
You need a permit? Ack. Anyone want to buy a 50 kV
spark gap transmitter,
cheap? ;)
Hmmm, I wonder how many of the experiments with high voltage and
things that spark, performed by perhaps many members of this group,
have been illegal? :-)
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6:45 p.m.
New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
As long as you're not connected to an antenna system [and presuming
you're smart enough to keep the HV from kicking back into the power
grid] ... shouldn't be too much of a problem, even w/big Tesla coils and
the like. These days the FCC is so overworked that unless they get a
complaint [typically from a neighbor whose TV is being interfered with]
you are pretty much home free.
Craig
"R. D. Davis" wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ross Archer wrote:
You need a permit? Ack. Anyone want to buy a 50
kV spark gap transmitter,
cheap? ;)
Hmmm, I wonder how many of the experiments with high voltage and
things that spark, performed by perhaps many members of this group,
have been illegal? :-)
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All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.perqlogic.com beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. 
7:44 p.m.
New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
My jacob's ladder is by far more interesting to look at than any
two bit lava lamp.
8:44 p.m.
New subject: O/T Spark Gap Transmitters was: Interest in UUCP?
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Lucas J Cashdollar wrote:
My jacob's ladder is by far more interesting to
look at than any
two bit lava lamp.
Mind too. :-) If you want to have some fun frightening intruders away,
hack a motion sensor (like one of the old Radio Shack ones from the
mid 1980s) with a 120VAC relay and a 555 timer circuit, that way, you
can adjust how long something remains on after the motion sensor is
triggered. ...then, just attach a large jacob's ladder to it. :-)
Actually, mine does qualify as having somewhat of a small antennae, as
the rods on which the spark rise are about three feet in length. Has
anyone else here tried using metal screen, etc. with such devices for
interesting effects? I won't caution anyone on being careful, since I
would think that all of those who post here and are mad enough to also
collect and restore vintage computers are intelligent enough to be
careful with high voltages. :-)
Getting back on topic, has anyone here used a classic computer to
control high-voltage devices such as Tesla coils and jacobs laddrs,
like the control center for a mad scientists laboratory?
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9:29 p.m.
New subject: IBM Realtime Co-Processor DOS Support V 1.02
I have no idea what this software package is, but it consists of two IBM 5
1/4" floppy disks: Dos Support Programs and DOS Support User's Guide. There
is also a 3 1/2" floppy titled "DOS Support User's Guide." The
description
on the front of this package says "A productivity aid providing installation
and necessary information to interface DOS software/firmware with the
Realtime Interface Co-Processor." The proof of license is also included
along with an instruction/warrenty booklet.
First $3.50 for Priority Mail takes it.
21 Jun
21 Jun
2:43 a.m.
New subject: IBM Realtime Co-Processor DOS Support V 1.02
I believe this was software for a multi port serial card for data
acquisition. I have encountered them on call detail recorders for
commercial phone switches.
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Marvin wrote:
I have no idea what this software package is, but it consists of two IBM 5
1/4" floppy disks: Dos Support Programs and DOS Support User's Guide. There
is also a 3 1/2" floppy titled "DOS Support User's Guide." The
description
on the front of this package says "A productivity aid providing installation
and necessary information to interface DOS software/firmware with the
Realtime Interface Co-Processor." The proof of license is also included
along with an instruction/warrenty booklet.
First $3.50 for Priority Mail takes it.
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5:59 a.m.
New subject: IBM Realtime Co-Processor DOS Support V 1.02
Yeah. These cards were later replaced with the ARTIC line.
Peace... Sridhar
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Paul Thompson wrote:
I believe this was software for a multi port serial card for data
acquisition. I have encountered them on call detail recorders for
commercial phone switches.
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Marvin wrote:
I have no idea what this software package is, but it consists of two IBM 5
1/4" floppy disks: Dos Support Programs and DOS Support User's Guide. There
is also a 3 1/2" floppy titled "DOS Support User's Guide." The
description
on the front of this package says "A productivity aid providing installation
and necessary information to interface DOS software/firmware with the
Realtime Interface Co-Processor." The proof of license is also included
along with an instruction/warrenty booklet.
First $3.50 for Priority Mail takes it.
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6:14 a.m.
New subject: IBM Realtime Co-Processor DOS Support V 1.02
Marvin,
That sounds like it muight be for the Action Media video card. If it
is, then I can use it. I have one of those cards.
Joe
At 11:29 PM 6/20/01 -0700, you wrote:
I have no idea what this software package is, but it
consists of two IBM 5
1/4" floppy disks: Dos Support Programs and DOS Support User's Guide. There
is also a 3 1/2" floppy titled "DOS Support User's Guide." The
description
on the front of this package says "A productivity aid providing installation
and necessary information to interface DOS software/firmware with the
Realtime Interface Co-Processor." The proof of license is also included
along with an instruction/warrenty booklet.
First $3.50 for Priority Mail takes it.
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