17 Apr
2002
17 Apr
'02
4:25 p.m.
From: blacklord <blacklord(a)telstra.com>
Hi Dick,
-----Snip------
Not even close! They both use 6502's. That is about where
the similarities end. The KIM was a hex readout. The AIM
is an alpha/numb readout. The AIM runs a printer in parallel
with the display. The KIM has a small key pad, the AIM had
a full keyboard.
I could pull my chip and disassemble it but someone else
could deal with putting comments on the code. I'll look at
my AIM stuff tonight and see if they had any listing for the
monitor. It seems like they only had entry points but that
would be helpful in figuring it out.
Dwight
I'll have a look to see whether I have any
ROM listings. I
thought I did,
but, well ... they say the mind's the second thing to go ... can't
rememberthe first ...
The AIM is pretty similar to the KIM-1 no ? (I may be mistaken) The
KIM's ROM dissasembly is pretty freely available, I have a version that
was suppied with a text file on how to build your own using current
chips.
18 Apr
18 Apr
4:55 a.m.
The simularity was based on two things. (1) they used the same CPU, and (2)
they happened to have the same "expansion bus," not that it mattered. Since
their memory maps and logical layout were different, to say nothing of the
totally different I/O facilities, different cassette format, different user
interface (and user interface hardware), it's pretty hard to see them as
similar. The fact that they could use more or less similar 3rd party hardware
was more of a coincidence than the result of concerted effort to standardize.
I took a look last evening to see whether I could easily lay hands on the AIM
stuff I've got, and, while I easily found the hardware, ISTR that there's a
manual somewhere ... though I did find a couple of documents, one for a 3rd
party memory board and one for an EPROM programmer, of each of which I seem to
have at least one.
I never got the Assembler or the Basic, since I really haven't ever even
powered up the AIMs. I had my own system for which there was already an
assembler, and editor, a video display, and other support software, not to
mention a much more convenient user interface. One of these days, however ...
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays
From: blacklord
<blacklord(a)telstra.com>
Hi Dick,
-----Snip------
Not even close! They both use 6502's. That is about where
the similarities end. The KIM was a hex readout. The AIM
is an alpha/numb readout. The AIM runs a printer in parallel
with the display. The KIM has a small key pad, the AIM had
a full keyboard.
I could pull my chip and disassemble it but someone else
could deal with putting comments on the code. I'll look at
my AIM stuff tonight and see if they had any listing for the
monitor. It seems like they only had entry points but that
would be helpful in figuring it out.
Dwight
I'll have a look to see whether I have any
ROM listings. I
thought I did,
but, well ... they say the mind's the second thing to go ... can't
rememberthe first ...
The AIM is pretty similar to the KIM-1 no ? (I may be mistaken) The
KIM's ROM dissasembly is pretty freely available, I have a version that
was suppied with a text file on how to build your own using current
chips.
5:01 a.m.
I have the listings. It's a small book called "AIM 65 Monitor Program
Listing", and includes all the I/O routines, the editor and
assembler/disassembler. If you don't have it, I could lend it to you.
Jim
>> I'll have a look to see whether I have
any ROM listings. I
>> thought I did,
5:17 a.m.
I'd be happy to scan the content and make it available as a G4 TIF file. Now,
I probably have that stuff somewhere as well, but ...
Joe Rigdon once said he had an AIM complete with the BASIC and ASM roms. I'd
assume that the assembler uses the syntax in which the ROMs are written, which
would help. ISTR he wanted to make the ROMs available, but didn't have an
EPROM programmer at the time, and didn't know how to dump the ROMs without
one.
Let me know off-list how we can handle the listings.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays
I have the listings. It's a small book called
"AIM 65 Monitor Program
Listing", and includes all the I/O routines, the editor and
assembler/disassembler. If you don't have it, I could lend it to you.
Jim
>> I'll have a look to see whether I
have any ROM listings. I
>> thought I did,
5:51 a.m.
It turns out that Rich Cini has the ROM listings in PDF format on his website
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm along with the
manuals, etc. That'll save some effort, since he's already done the work.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays
I have the listings. It's a small book called
"AIM 65 Monitor Program
Listing", and includes all the I/O routines, the editor and
assembler/disassembler. If you don't have it, I could lend it to you.
Jim
>> I'll have a look to see whether I
have any ROM listings. I
>> thought I did,
7 a.m.
Richard Erlacher wrote:
It turns out that Rich Cini has the ROM listings in
PDF format on his website
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm along with the
manuals, etc. That'll save some effort, since he's already done the work.
I saw this a few days ago in browsing but forgot about it til today. You
beat me by about an hour!
Anyone want to volounteer to get the monitor source into ascii? If we
all chip in we would only have to do a page or four each. Needs
coordination though - I'd be willing to do that.
-- hbp
7:15 a.m.
--- Hans B Pufal <hansp(a)aconit.org> wrote:
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I don't mind helping. I'm just glad to not have to do it all.
Put me down for a share of the effort or two. As I just posted, I can't
get in at the moment, so I'll let you know when you can hand out an
assignment.
Thanks for coordinating.
-ethan
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It turns out that Rich Cini has the ROM listings
in PDF format on his
website
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm along with
the manuals, etc. That'll save some effort, since he's already done
the work.
Anyone want to volounteer to get the monitor source into ascii? If we
all chip in we would only have to do a page or four each. Needs
coordination though - I'd be willing to do that.
7:49 a.m.
New subject: AIM-65 monitor source reconstruction
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I don't mind helping. I'm just glad to not
have to do it all.
Put me down for a share of the effort or two. As I
just posted, I can't
get in at the moment, so I'll let you know when you can hand out an
assignment.
Great that makes two so far (me and thee) any one else?
I've started ont he first PDF file, done the first 5 pages....
-- hbp
11:12 a.m.
New subject: AIM-65 monitor source reconstruction
OK, I'm done for the day. I completed pages 1-11, Dwight provided page
56 and I keyed in the last page, page 97. So we are about 13%done! At
thsi rate we will be done in a week!!
Anyone is welcome to help out, send your text directly to me
hansp(a)aconit.org and I will do update the progress report as necessary.
I have listed a little of my typing below to show what we need. Start
each page with the page number comment to make it easier to navigate.
;; PAGE 0009 Hans B Pufal
;VECTORS COME HERE FIRST AFTER JUMP THRU FFFA-FFFF
NMIVI JMP (NMIV2) ;NMIV2 IS A VECTOR TO NMIV3
IRQV1 JMP (IQV2) ;IRQV2 IS A VECTOR TO IRQV3
;SINGLE STEP ENTRY POINT (NMI)
NMIV3 STA SAVA ;SAVE ACCUM
PLA
STA SAVPS ;SAVE PROCESSOR STATUS
CLD
STX SAVX ;SAVE X
STY SAVY
PLA
STA SAVPC ;PROGRAM COUNTER
PLA
STA SAVPC+1
TSX ;GET STACK POINTER & SAVE IT
STX SVAS
11:16 a.m.
New subject: AIM-65 monitor source reconstruction
On last thing for tonight, you can download the latest version of the
text file at www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/monitor.txt
Good night folks,
-- hbp
10:26 p.m.
New subject: AIM-65 monitor source reconstruction
Latest version of monitor source : www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/monitor.txt
PDF files of scanned pages :
pages 1-47 : www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/amonrom1.pdf
pages 48-97 : www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/amonrom2.pdf
Pages done : 1-23, 46, 47, 56, 97 (27/97 = 28% done)
Allocated : Hans Pufal 24 onwards
Ethan Dicks 40-45
Dwight K Elvey 48-55
If you want to help out contact me off list for page numbers.
-- hbp
19 Apr
19 Apr
11:01 p.m.
New subject: AIM-65 monitor source reconstruction
Latest version of monitor source : www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/monitor.txt
PDF files of scanned pages (as downloaded fRom Rich Cini's site) :
pages 1-47 : www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/amonrom1.pdf (all done)
pages 48-97 : www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/amonrom2.pdf
Pages done : 1-47, 56-63, 97 (56/97 = 58% done)
Allocated : Hans Pufal 64 onwards
Ethan Dicks 48-55
Dwight K Elvey 90-96
If you want to help out contact me off list for page numbers, but
hurry not many pages left ;-)
-- hbp
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