2 Jun
2020
2 Jun
'20
4:15 p.m.
I know the response to this might be quite subjective and depends on
your particular interests.
Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe even from a historical
perspective or something else)?
I have to make some decisions about space (the perennial problem for a
collector of course) and I have quite a few of these taking up a few
shelves.
Thank you.
Kevin Parker
2 Jun
2 Jun
4:18 p.m.
Actually, yes.? I had the first two years of them bound - the first
issue sold to me personally by Wayne Green, and let them go for a song
.? A couple of years later each bound edition was advertised for $200 -
that was in 1995 prices!
No idea wha tthey woul dbe worth now.
cheers,
NIgel
On 02/06/2020 19:15, Kevin Parker via cctalk wrote:
I know the response to this might be quite subjective
and depends on
your particular interests.
Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe even from a
historical perspective or something else)?
I have to make some decisions about space (the perennial problem for a
collector of course) and I have quite a few of these taking up a few
shelves.
Thank you.
Kevin Parker
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On 02/06/2020 19:15, Kevin Parker via cctalk wrote:
> Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe even from a
> historical perspective or something else)?
On Wed, 03 Jun 2020 01:18:31 +0200, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
Actually, yes.
Quite a few are available on archive.org, but I would guess the
hardcopies are valuable also (depending on condition etc).
/Tomas
8:35 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 7:15 PM Kevin Parker via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe even
from a historical
perspective or something else)?
I know certain ones are sought after based on specific contributors or
specific machines gracing the cover (Amiga, Apple, etc.) I'd say
"value" fluctuates wildly and is definitely subjective.
In my personal case, I'm fond of the issues before the PC took over
because I started reading it in the early 80s and even though I didn't
have a CP/M machine, I still read those articles with fascination (I
devoured the hardware articles by Steve Ciarcia and others and
anything for the PET or could be adapted to the PET). Specific ones,
like the launch of the Amiga 3000 aside, I am not as interested in
anything past the end of the 80s.
Other people will have completely different opinions based on what
content tickles them.
Except for, say, the first few issues, it's not like they aren't
somewhat abundant - issues were preserved by a lot of people. I am on
my second set because I lost most of my originals in a flood 25 years
ago. I did a rescue and was asked if I wanted 4 bankers boxes of
Byte Magazines going back to the late 70s. How could I resist.
As mentioned, many of them have been digitized and I do reference the
PDFs a lot, but I still like the paper and being able to flop open to
an ad or schematic and leave it open for reference.
I have to make some decisions about space (the
perennial problem for a
collector of course) and I have quite a few of these taking up a few
shelves.
Sure. That's always the challenge. I wish I had a better place for
mine, but I'll have to rearrange a few things first.
-ethan
11:19 p.m.
My? favorite BYTE? ?issue? had? the HP 150 on the? cover.? It? changed? the? entire?
direction of? a segment of my business.
My very first issues? of BYTE and Kilobaud were? a? gift from Ray Morrison of? Ill. Bell
Teletype? fame
In today's world at the SMECC museum project? BYTE and KILOBAUD and? other? serve? as
a reference? source and? we? have bound? sets of? them? ?and? some? ?loose? ones that? are
easier to put in a scanner . The? bound issues are? better? to? ?flip? through.? They are?
also? great? to scan out of? and a certain amount of up sizing? can be? done? to imagery
to be integrated into displays
Ed#?
In a message dated 6/2/2020 8:35:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org
writes:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 7:15 PM Kevin Parker via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe even
from a historical
perspective or something else)?
I know certain ones are sought after based on specific contributors or
specific machines gracing the cover (Amiga, Apple, etc.)? I'd say
"value" fluctuates wildly and is definitely subjective.
In my personal case, I'm fond of the issues before the PC took over
because I started reading it in the early 80s and even though I didn't
have a CP/M machine, I still read those articles with fascination (I
devoured the hardware articles by Steve Ciarcia and others and
anything for the PET or could be adapted to the PET).? Specific ones,
like the launch of the Amiga 3000 aside, I am not as interested in
anything past the end of the 80s.
Other people will have completely different opinions based on what
content tickles them.
Except for, say, the first few issues, it's not like they aren't
somewhat abundant - issues were preserved by a lot of people.? I am on
my second set because I lost most of my originals in a flood 25 years
ago.? I did a rescue and was asked if I wanted 4 bankers boxes of
Byte Magazines going back to the late 70s.? How could I resist.
As mentioned, many of them have been digitized and I do reference the
PDFs a lot, but I still like the paper and being able to flop open to
an ad or schematic and leave it open for reference.
I have to make some decisions about space (the
perennial problem for a
collector of course) and I have quite a few of these taking up a few
shelves.
Sure.? That's always the challenge.? I wish I had a better place for
mine, but I'll have to rearrange a few things first.
-ethan
3 Jun
3 Jun
12:22 p.m.
I'm not quickly finding it but weren't there some magazines missing or has
it been decided all are scanned and it usable quality? I see one list
https://vintageapple.org/byte/ and archive.org also has a collection but
they weren't in order in my browser.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 1:19 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
My favorite BYTE issue had the HP 150 on the
cover. It changed
the entire direction of a segment of my business.
My very first issues of BYTE and Kilobaud were a gift from Ray Morrison
of Ill. Bell Teletype fame
In today's world at the SMECC museum project BYTE and KILOBAUD and
other serve as a reference source and we have bound sets of them
and some loose ones that are easier to put in a scanner . The bound
issues are better to flip through. They are also great to scan out
of and a certain amount of up sizing can be done to imagery to be
integrated into displays
Ed#
In a message dated 6/2/2020 8:35:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk at classiccmp.org writes:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 7:15 PM Kevin Parker via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe
even from a historical
perspective or something else)?
I know certain ones are sought after based on specific contributors or
specific machines gracing the cover (Amiga, Apple, etc.) I'd say
"value" fluctuates wildly and is definitely subjective.
In my personal case, I'm fond of the issues before the PC took over
because I started reading it in the early 80s and even though I didn't
have a CP/M machine, I still read those articles with fascination (I
devoured the hardware articles by Steve Ciarcia and others and
anything for the PET or could be adapted to the PET). Specific ones,
like the launch of the Amiga 3000 aside, I am not as interested in
anything past the end of the 80s.
Other people will have completely different opinions based on what
content tickles them.
Except for, say, the first few issues, it's not like they aren't
somewhat abundant - issues were preserved by a lot of people. I am on
my second set because I lost most of my originals in a flood 25 years
ago. I did a rescue and was asked if I wanted 4 bankers boxes of
Byte Magazines going back to the late 70s. How could I resist.
As mentioned, many of them have been digitized and I do reference the
PDFs a lot, but I still like the paper and being able to flop open to
an ad or schematic and leave it open for reference.
I have to make some decisions about space (the
perennial problem for a
collector of course) and I have quite a few of these taking up a few
shelves.
Sure. That's always the challenge. I wish I had a better place for
mine, but I'll have to rearrange a few things first.
-ethan
12:30 p.m.
On June 3, 2020 at 2:22 PM John Herron via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm not quickly finding it but weren't there some magazines missing or hasit been
decided all are scanned and it usable quality? I see one
listhttps://vintageapple.org/byte/ and archive.org also has a collection butthey
weren't in order in my browser.
>>>>
The ones at vintageapple.org are almost complete. Some of the scans are bad last time I
checked (such as Oct 86 I think.) But that has almost all of them.
Will
3:29 p.m.
On 6/3/2020 2:30 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
Apparently they are complete.
*2/11/19*: Last 8 issues of Byte Magazine added; the Byte archive is now complete. Many
thanks to The National Museum of Computing in Canada for providing 4 of the mising issues.
(Please consider donating to them <http://www.tnmoc.org/support/make-donation> to
support computer history.)
Lots of good Mac stuff there I didn't know about.? Looks like I can offload my 10
boxes of Mac System 6 and System 7 programming manuals and books to someone that wants
hardcopy.? Everything I have is in PDF on that site now.
--
John H. Reinhardt
On June 3,
2020 at 2:22 PM John Herron via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm not quickly finding it but weren't there some magazines missing or hasit been
decided all are scanned and it usable quality? I see one
listhttps://vintageapple.org/byte/ and archive.org also has a collection butthey
weren't in order in my browser.
The ones at vintageapple.org are almost
complete. Some of the scans are bad last time I checked (such as Oct 86 I think.) But
that has almost all of them.
Will
4 Jun
4 Jun
1:51 a.m.
On June 3, 2020 at 5:29 PM "John H. Reinhardt via
cctech" <cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
does that mean you can download and view the Oct 86 "Inside the IBM PC" issue?
https://vintageapple.org/byte/pdf/198610_Byte_Magazine_Vol_11-11_Inside_the…
I can't. There are several others with the same problem.
The ones at vintageapple.org are almost complete.
Some of the scans are bad last time I checked (such as Oct 86 I think.) But that has
almost all of them.> WillApparently they are complete.
--John H. Reinhardt
2 a.m.
On Thu, 04 Jun 2020 10:51:27 +0200, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
does that mean you can download and view the Oct 86
"Inside the IBM PC" issue?
The file seems broken on the "apple" site but this one works:
https://ia803009.us.archive.org/13/items/eu_BYTE-1986-fall-3-IBM_special_OC…
/Tomas
2:21 a.m.
Looking though? some of? these BYTE sites your mileage varies
The apple one think had? the? hp 150 issue with a nasty glare on it alas...?
Be sure you check several sites? to? get the best you can? get.All depends on what you are
seeking too.... something? to go in a display or just read an article.
Ed#
In a message dated 6/4/2020 2:00:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org
writes:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2020 10:51:27 +0200, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
does that mean you can download and view the Oct 86
"Inside the IBM PC" issue?
The file seems broken on the "apple" site but this one works:
https://ia803009.us.archive.org/13/items/eu_BYTE-1986-fall-3-IBM_special_OC…
/Tomas
7:56 a.m.
When I try, it says error, failed to download document.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Will Cooke via cctalk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 3:51 AM
To: Will Cooke via cctalk
Subject: Re: BYTE Magazines
On June 3, 2020 at 5:29 PM "John H. Reinhardt via
cctech" <cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
does that mean you can download and view the Oct 86 "Inside the IBM PC" issue?
https://vintageapple.org/byte/pdf/198610_Byte_Magazine_Vol_11-11_Inside_the…
I can't. There are several others with the same problem.
--
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The ones at vintageapple.org are almost complete.
Some of the scans are bad last time I checked (such as Oct 86 I think.) But that has
almost all of them.> WillApparently they are complete.
--John H. Reinhardt 
8:09 a.m.
That one, plus 198806_Byte_Magazine_Vol_13-06_New_Benchmarks_Ultra_High-speed_Modems.pdf
and 198905_Byte_Magazine_Vol_14-05_Unix_CAD_and_Technology_Breakthroughs.pdf
are corrupted on the vintageapple.org web site (shows up as 'data'
instead of "PDF document" if you do a "file" on them). If there are
others I don't know, but at least the rest are detected as PDF.
Good PDF copies of the three can be found at archive.org though.
8:42 a.m.
On 6/4/2020 8:09 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote:
<snip>
Good PDF copies of the three can be found at archive.org though.
There are three sets of scans of some editions.
I'm looking for a photographic ad placed by ACP (Advanced Computer
Products).? It's supposed to be back cover or inside back cover (I've
also looked inside the front).
There's an ad similar to the Jameco, Jade, etc with all the components
and crap, but for a while, they took out a second ad.
I've looked at a lot of these again, looking for the ad.
The photo is of the ACP Swapmeet going full tilt.? If you look at the
person in the very center looking at the camera, that's me. Would love a
copy.
Photo was by Dave Freeman, who is still a fantastic photographer.
I've checked with Tom and Dave Freeman, and they remember it, but not
the when.
I guessed it was around the time of the fight with Apple over mail order
sales (which resulted in a lawsuit, which ACP lost).? They did move to a
dual full page ad, a couple pages inside the back, which is a premium
spot, but I didn't find any second ad or anything on the back cover.
thanks
Jim
8:50 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:42 AM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 6/4/2020 8:09 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote:
I have a complete set of the Byte magazines (and Kilobaud, Dr. Dobbs, Radio
Electronics, Micro, 6502 Journal...), if you can't find what you're looking
for online I can scan it for you, but I need to know the year/volume/page.
Bill Degnan
<snip>
Good PDF copies of the three can be found at archive.org though.
There are three sets of scans of some editions.
I'm looking for a photographic ad placed by ACP (Advanced Computer
Products). It's supposed to be back cover or inside back cover (I've
also looked inside the front).
There's an ad similar to the Jameco, Jade, etc with all the components
and crap, but for a while, they took out a second ad.
I've looked at a lot of these again, looking for the ad.
The photo is of the ACP Swapmeet going full tilt. If you look at the
person in the very center looking at the camera, that's me. Would love a
copy.
Photo was by Dave Freeman, who is still a fantastic photographer.
I've checked with Tom and Dave Freeman, and they remember it, but not
the when.
I guessed it was around the time of the fight with Apple over mail order
sales (which resulted in a lawsuit, which ACP lost). They did move to a
dual full page ad, a couple pages inside the back, which is a premium
spot, but I didn't find any second ad or anything on the back cover.
thanks
Jim
5 Jun
5 Jun
12:07 a.m.
On 6/4/2020 8:42 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
I'm looking for a photographic ad placed by ACP (Advanced Computer
Products).
I want to thank Bill Degnan and Patrick Finnegan for solving this. At
least I have the photo I was looking for.
Bill offered kindly to scan any issue I need.? But Patrick found an ACP
flyer which had the photo I recall, along with some other
accomplishments on an insertion to a copy of Byte he had.
I think the issue with the photo is still out there, but at least now
I've got the photo.? I will put an update somewhere and point at it later.
Much appreciate their help.
Thanks
Jim
5:32 a.m.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 3:07 AM jim stephens via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 6/4/2020 8:42 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
Jim,
To clarify, I meant any page, not any issue. I'd have to destroy the
magazine to scan it or it would take to long :-)
Bill
I'm looking for a photographic ad placed by ACP (Advanced Computer
Products).
I want to thank Bill Degnan and Patrick Finnegan for solving this. At
least I have the photo I was looking for.
Bill offered kindly to scan any issue I need. But Patrick found an ACP
flyer which had the photo I recall, along with some other
accomplishments on an insertion to a copy of Byte he had.
I think the issue with the photo is still out there, but at least now
I've got the photo. I will put an update somewhere and point at it later.
Much appreciate their help.
Thanks
Jim
4 Jun
4 Jun
10:24 a.m.
On June 4, 2020 at 9:56 AM Electronics Plus <sales
at elecplus.com> wrote:
When I try, it says error, failed to download document.
That is what I get on that file as well as several others. Someone mentioned most or all
of them. The scans that are there are quite good. I emailed the maintainer(s) of that
site to let them know twice, but never got any response. I'm not complaining, just
stating the fact. I VERY much appreciate the work they put into that.
My point was that I am not aware of any single place that has ALL Byte issues. It would
be really nice if there was.
Will
2:46 p.m.
Just had a look at file in hex editor and first &HDFFFFF bytes are 0
and then appears to be some type of image format after that.
Suggests that parts recoverable.
Boris Gimbarzevsky
When I try, it says error, failed to download
document.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
Will Cooke via cctalk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 3:51 AM
To: Will Cooke via cctalk
Subject: Re: BYTE Magazines
On June 3, 2020 at 5:29 PM "John H.
Reinhardt via cctech"
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The ones at vintageapple.org are almost complete. Some of the
scans are bad
last time I checked (such as Oct 86 I think.) But
that has almost all of them.> WillApparently they are complete.
--John H. Reinhardt
does that mean you can download and view the Oct 86 "Inside the IBM PC" issue?
https://vintageapple.org/byte/pdf/198610_Byte_Magazine_Vol_11-11_Inside_the…
I can't. There are several others with the same problem.
--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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4:07 p.m.
On 6/4/2020 2:46 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctech wrote:
Just had a look at file in hex editor and first
&HDFFFFF bytes are 0
and then appears to be some type of image format after that.
There are three of the
issues on the page which are damaged.? All have
one or more copies available on archive dot org
they seem to have all suffered the same damage, a large chunk at the
front zeroed out.
thanks
Jim
The corrupted ones:
198610_Byte_Magazine_Vol_11-11_Inside_the_IBM_PC.pdf
198806_Byte_Magazine_Vol_13-06_New_Benchmarks_Ultra_High-speed_Modems.pdf
and 198905_Byte_Magazine_Vol_14-05_Unix_CAD_and_Technology_Breakthroughs.pdf
are corrupted on the vintageapple.org web site
3 Jun
3 Jun
10:45 p.m.
Will, thanks for that link to Mac books. My Inside MacIntosh books
suffered water damage when had a flood in room they were stored and
nice to have information as a pdf files. Prefer actual books with my
annotations, but now just use virtual Mac running under
BasiliskII. Judge how fast computers can become when, under
BasiliskII run a virtual MacIIvx in which run a DOS emulation so can
run a C64 emulation under DOS considerably faster than a physical C64.
Had an extensive collection of Byte magazines that unfortunately had
to go. Main thing I liked in Byte was Steve Ciarcia's column and
still have all my Circuit Cellar magazines and bought a backup
flashdrive with all Circuit cellar content from start. Seems to be
the way to go with magazines as much easier for me to find a
particular Circuit Cellar article on the flash drive than trying to
remember in which room/box that particular issue might be located.
Boris Gimbarzevsky
On June 3,
2020 at 2:22 PM John Herron via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm not quickly finding it but weren't there some magazines
missing or
hasit been decided all are scanned and it usable
quality? I see one listhttps://vintageapple.org/byte/ and
archive.org also has a collection butthey weren't in order in my browser.
>>>>
The ones at vintageapple.org are almost complete. Some of the scans
are bad last time I checked (such as Oct 86 I think.) But that has
almost all of them.
Will 
2:46 p.m.
My understanding is that the Computer History Museum has a complete bound set - maybe Al
can confirm
And there is likely a fairly complete set at Stanford's GSB periodicals collection.
Other computer or technical history museums might want a fairly complete set; e.g.,
Charles Babbage Institute, and u would have to check them one by one.
Tom
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From: Kevin Parker [mailto:trash80 at internode.on.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2020 4:15 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: BYTE Magazines
I know the response to this might be quite subjective and depends on your particular
interests.
Do BYTE magazines have any collectability (maybe even from a historical perspective or
something else)?
I have to make some decisions about space (the perennial problem for a collector of
course) and I have quite a few of these taking up a few shelves.
Thank you.
Kevin Parker
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