3 Aug
2004
3 Aug
'04
8:14 a.m.
Hi
OK, I do have one that is going to be an unusual one
that is significant in its insignificance.
It is a SDK development machine for Intel's 2920 ( not to
be confused with AMD's 2920 of the 2900 family of parts ).
This was Intel's only attempt at the DSP market. It
is only unique in that it is rare enough that few even
know it existed. It was a time when Intel chose it's
direction to be a mostly X86 processor company and began
to leave the side markets alone ( for good or bad ).
There may be others out there but I've not seen any.
Dwight
3 Aug
3 Aug
11:41 a.m.
OK, I do have one that is going to be an unusual one
that is significant in its insignificance.
This is not what I mean by significant. I am looking for machines that did
something historically important. Or even maybe not so historically
important. Provenance - it is important.
So far the silence has been a bad sign...
It is a SDK development machine for Intel's 2920 (
not to
be confused with AMD's 2920 of the 2900 family of parts ).
This was Intel's only attempt at the DSP market. It
is only unique in that it is rare enough that few even
know it existed. It was a time when Intel chose it's
direction to be a mostly X86 processor company and began
to leave the side markets alone ( for good or bad ).
Intel is known for many dead ends and bad timing. They really are a pretty
innovative company - it is a shame they have this huge stain on
their history called x86.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
12:18 p.m.
--- William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
In my eyes X86 is not bad at all. Every divert from
X86 Intel made was a failure. I432, I860, I960,
Itanium, all failed. Maybe 8051 is an exception. Also
CISC won the battle with RISC finally. It might be
better for DEC to develop faster VAX than to develop
Alpha.
vax, 3900
OK, I do have
one that is going to be an unusual
one
that is significant in its insignificance.
This is not what I mean by significant. I am looking
for machines that did
something historically important. Or even maybe not
so historically
important. Provenance - it is important.
So far the silence has been a bad sign...
It is a SDK development machine for Intel's
2920 (
not to
be confused with AMD's 2920 of the 2900
family of
parts ).
This was Intel's only attempt at the DSP
market.
It
is only unique in that it is rare enough that few
even
know it existed. It was a time when Intel chose
it's
direction to be a mostly X86 processor company
and
began
to leave the side markets alone ( for good or bad
).
Intel is known for many dead ends and bad timing.
They really are a pretty
innovative company - it is a shame they have this
huge stain on
their history called x86.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
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12:53 p.m.
>>>> "SHAUN" == SHAUN RIPLEY
<vax3900(a)yahoo.com> writes:
SHAUN> .... Also CISC won the battle
SHAUN> with RISC finally.
Is that so?
I would say that RISC won. Pretty much everything is RISC, except
where backward compatibility forces the continued support of some
horribly crufty CISC instruction set (x86) or some not quite so
horrible CISC instruction set (M68k).
paul
11:31 p.m.
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:18:26 -0700 (PDT)
SHAUN RIPLEY <vax3900(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
In my eyes X86 is not bad at all. Every divert from
X86 Intel made was a failure. I432, I860, I960,
Itanium, all failed.
Maybe because everything intel makes is a failure, but only
x86 "made
it" because IBM happend to choose it for one of there products by
accident?
BTW: I860, I960 didn't fail. They where used in a wide varity of
embedded applications. I think they never where intended to be used for
general purpose computing.
Maybe 8051 is an exception.
This is a 8 bit
microcontroller, very different from the 32 / 64 bit
CPUs.
Also CISC won the battle with RISC finally.
No.
Todays x86 CPUs are RISC cores with hardware x86-to-RISC
translators. This is an evil hack only to keep the howly cow of backward
compatibility alive. Everything else is RISC for at least 10 years now.
(Well, that is mostly Aplle. All major UNIX vendors switched to RISC in
the mid to late 80's.)
It might be better for DEC to develop faster VAX than
to develop
Alpha.
VAX is overCISCed and therefore hard to implement. All those addressing
modes that make it hard to design a memory subsystem... Small page
size... It is a 32 bit design also, where you need 64 bit address space
in (today - 10 year) enterprise computing.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
1:38 p.m.
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, William Donzelli wrote:
Anything that comes my way like that I usually channel over the the
Computer History Museum. This would include several important items so
far.
OK, I do have
one that is going to be an unusual one
that is significant in its insignificance.
This is not what I mean by significant. I am looking for machines that did
something historically important. Or even maybe not so historically
important. Provenance - it is important. Intel is known for many dead ends and bad timing. They
really are a pretty
innovative company - it is a shame they have this huge stain on
their history called x86.
I think they get too much credit in some cases.
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6:05 p.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
...
Anything that comes my way like that I usually channel
over the the
Computer History Museum. This would include several important items so
far.
I'm not so keen on the CHM. I don't know if I aired this already or
not, but I think not.
When I left the bay area a couple months ago, I tried to give my working
wang 2200 with terminal, manuals, working floppy disk system,
fixed/removable hard disk system, and disks.
It took a LOT of work (weeks of one-sided prodding) on my part to have
them consider it. "The curator will contact you in a few days..." (a
week passes), another email, "The curator will contact you in a few
days...", more time passes, another email, "Could you describe it
again?", etc.
After more than a month of delay, I received and email with the tenor of
a form letter along these lines: Dear Jim, thank you for considering the
CHM. Unfortunately at this time we don't have an interest in obtaining
your keypunch machine. Here are the names of some other museums that
may be interested ...
It went to the digibarn instead. That they didn't want my computer
isn't what ruffled me -- it was their seeming indifference to what I
thought was a generous offer. At any rate, I'm sure the computer ended
up with someone (Bruce) who appreciates it more than the CHM.
8:40 p.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Jim Battle wrote:
I'm not so keen on the CHM. I don't know if I
aired this already or
not, but I think not.
When I left the bay area a couple months ago, I tried to give my working
wang 2200 with terminal, manuals, working floppy disk system,
fixed/removable hard disk system, and disks.
It took a LOT of work (weeks of one-sided prodding) on my part to have
them consider it. "The curator will contact you in a few days..." (a
week passes), another email, "The curator will contact you in a few
days...", more time passes, another email, "Could you describe it
again?", etc.
After more than a month of delay, I received and email with the tenor of
a form letter along these lines: Dear Jim, thank you for considering the
CHM. Unfortunately at this time we don't have an interest in obtaining
your keypunch machine. Here are the names of some other museums that
may be interested ...
It went to the digibarn instead. That they didn't want my computer
isn't what ruffled me -- it was their seeming indifference to what I
thought was a generous offer. At any rate, I'm sure the computer ended
up with someone (Bruce) who appreciates it more than the CHM.
Jim,
I'm a big fan of the CHM (as you may have guessed). I can assure you that
the problems you had, while inexcusable, are mostly because of a lack of
adequate staff to handle the inquiries they get. You shouldn't feel
slighted or insulted by it.
Your Wang should have gone to the CHM. However, I'm glad Bruce ended up
with it, because the DigiBarn will be a great long-term home for it. It
was the CHM's loss.
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5 Aug
5 Aug
2:49 p.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Jim Battle wrote:
>I'm not so keen on the CHM. I don't know if I aired this already or
>not, but I think not.
>
>When I left the bay area a couple months ago, I tried to give my working
>wang 2200 with terminal, manuals, working floppy disk system,
>fixed/removable hard disk system, and disks.
>
>It took a LOT of work (weeks of one-sided prodding) on my part to have
>them consider it. "The curator will contact you in a few days..." (a
>week passes), another email, "The curator will contact you in a few
>days...", more time passes, another email, "Could you describe it
>again?", etc.
>
>After more than a month of delay, I received and email with the tenor of
>a form letter along these lines: Dear Jim, thank you for considering the
>CHM. Unfortunately at this time we don't have an interest in obtaining
>your keypunch machine. Here are the names of some other museums that
>may be interested ...
>
>It went to the digibarn instead. That they didn't want my computer
>isn't what ruffled me -- it was their seeming indifference to what I
>thought was a generous offer. At any rate, I'm sure the computer ended
>up with someone (Bruce) who appreciates it more than the CHM.
>
Painful, but not nearly as bad as my experiances with Oliver Strimple
when he was the curator of the
(defunct) Boston Computer Museum.
When I told him I collected and 'restored to working condition'
minicomputers from the 1960's (and
wanted to display them as his museum) he scoffed at the very idea of
'restoration to working condition'.
It was painful to walk through that place and see restorable hardware
gutted and filled with strings of winking christmas lights.
There was a TON of really important and rare stuff that got trashed
there. CADR's, a Foonly, I think even
the original CONS machine went there, never to see the light of day again.
>
5:11 p.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
Quoth Bob Shannon:
Painful, but not nearly as bad as my experiances with
Oliver Strimple
when he was the curator of the
(defunct) Boston Computer Museum.
When I told him I collected and 'restored to working condition'
minicomputers from the 1960's (and
wanted to display them as his museum) he scoffed at the very idea of
'restoration to working condition'.
It was painful to walk through that place and see restorable hardware
gutted and filled with strings of winking christmas lights.
Aiya! A museum curator that has no love for the items collected shouldn't
be a bloody museum curator. :(
There was a TON of really important and rare stuff
that got trashed
there. CADR's, a Foonly, I think even
the original CONS machine went there, never to see the light of day again.
What became of the Boston Computer Museum, anyway? And what happened to
their collection, such as it was?
-O.-
5:32 p.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, O. Sharp wrote:
What became of the Boston Computer Museum, anyway? And
what happened to
their collection, such as it was?
It moved to the west coast and became the Computer History Museum.
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6 Aug
6 Aug
2:36 a.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
And thusly Bob Shannon spake:
It was painful to walk through that place and see restorable hardware
gutted and filled with strings of winking christmas lights.
There was a TON of really important and rare stuff that got trashed
there. CADR's, a Foonly, I think even
the original CONS machine went there, never to see the light of day again.
I visited the Computer History Museum shortly after I moved to Boston.. It
was *such* a disappointment. :( OOOhhh! I get to feel how warm a vacuum
tube gets...
It is pretty sad when the best part of the tour was seeing the pictures of
important people in the computer industry at the end.....
They needed to take a cue from places like the Ontario Science Centre where
interactivity is the focus!!
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
8 Aug
8 Aug
9:18 a.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
Brian.... send us some links to some of the interactive displays....
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
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Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
And thusly Bob Shannon spake:
>
> It was painful to walk through that place and see restorable hardware
> gutted and filled with strings of winking christmas lights.
>
> There was a TON of really important and rare stuff that got trashed
> there. CADR's, a Foonly, I think even
> the original CONS machine went there, never to see the light of day
again.
I visited the Computer History Museum shortly after I moved to Boston..
It
was *such* a disappointment. :( OOOhhh! I get to
feel how warm a vacuum
tube gets...
It is pretty sad when the best part of the tour was seeing the pictures of
important people in the computer industry at the end.....
They needed to take a cue from places like the Ontario Science Centre
where
interactivity is the focus!!
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
4 Aug
4 Aug
1:23 a.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 03:05, Jim Battle wrote:
I'm not so keen on the CHM. I don't know if I
aired this already or
not, but I think not.
When I left the bay area a couple months ago, I tried to give my working
wang 2200 with terminal, manuals, working floppy disk system,
fixed/removable hard disk system, and disks.
It took a LOT of work (weeks of one-sided prodding) on my part to have
them consider it. "The curator will contact you in a few days..." (a
week passes), another email, "The curator will contact you in a few
days...", more time passes, another email, "Could you describe it
again?", etc.
After more than a month of delay, I received and email with the tenor of
a form letter along these lines: Dear Jim, thank you for considering the
CHM. Unfortunately at this time we don't have an interest in obtaining
your keypunch machine. Here are the names of some other museums that
may be interested ...
Well, Bletchley's not so much different I suppose. The museum's horribly
under-staffed by volunteers who are naturally busy doing other things
most of the time. The volunteers aren't local enough to see immediately
what examples of the machine being offered we have on site and the
condition. The only time there's generally a quick response is when it's
something we know we either don't have, or something so common that we
know we have lots of them or would have no trouble finding one when we
suddenly needed one.
Personally the first thing I usually ask of anyone offering to donate
something is how soon they need it gone :-) We've had people throw stuff
in the bin before because they haven't had a response the same day.
cheers,
Jules
1:56 a.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
Jules Richardson wrote:
Well, Bletchley's not so much different I suppose.
The museum's horribly
under-staffed by volunteers who are naturally busy doing other things
most of the time. The volunteers aren't local enough to see immediately
what examples of the machine being offered we have on site and the
condition. The only time there's generally a quick response is when it's
something we know we either don't have, or something so common that we
know we have lots of them or would have no trouble finding one when we
suddenly needed one.
Very much the same as ACONIT here in Grenoble.
Personally the first thing I usually ask of anyone
offering to donate
something is how soon they need it gone :-) We've had people throw stuff
in the bin before because they haven't had a response the same day.
One problem with this decision making process is that you might well
discard valuable items without knowing. Here at ACONIT we have a general
policy of always taking donations but with the proviso that we might
discard later. The rationale is that the donors often does not know what
they have and a short phone or email description is not sufficient to know.
Two examples : we were offered what was described as an Olivetti 101
which we already had 3 examples of. I was very reluctant to accept
another but the donor insisted saying it was complete with desk etc etc.
Eventually I agreed and when the machine arrived it was not a 101 at all
but a different model with cute tape cartridges and lots of other
interesting accessories and including quite a number of the mag cards
used both for that machine and the 101.
Lesson learned, when someone offered us some Apple equipment we accepted
them not really needing yet another mac or apple or whatever. Imagine my
delight when on examining the donation at ACONIT I opened a cardboard
box and see 2 pristine KIM-1 boards with full documentation.
I know space and other constraints make this policy difficult to adhere
to but I continue to fight for it.
-- HansP
2:28 a.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 10:56, Hans B PUFAL wrote:
Yep, that is always a danger. A lot of things we get offered come from
people who weren't the original user of the machine, so they don't know
anything about it other than what they've read on the label. They could
know nothing of any rare expansion options etc.
Personally the
first thing I usually ask of anyone offering to donate
something is how soon they need it gone :-) We've had people throw stuff
in the bin before because they haven't had a response the same day.
One problem with this decision making process is that you might well
discard valuable items without knowing. Here at ACONIT we have a general
policy of always taking donations but with the proviso that we might
discard later.
I'm trying to press for that policy at Bletchley too. Sometimes if
offered something common I do ask if we may take it with the intention
of one day selling it to raise money for the museum - the donor still
makes a contribution to the museum that way, and the machine doesn't end
up in the bin.
I'm trying to figure out a way that we can take everything in order to
save it, but then offer things we're not interested in or can't
physically store long-term to other collectors (on this list, for
instance). I don't like the idea that if the museum doesn't take offered
equipment that a lot of the time it will get thrown out.
Usually people offering us stuff don't seem to mind what happens to the
hardware if it's going to a good home. The only problem is that the
museum has to deal with the Park Trust who run the rest of the site, and
they certainly wouldn't like lots of people turning up to pick equipment
up - it's also difficult when we're not around really except for
weekends, and none of us really have the space to store things at
home...
If the museum were one with the rest of the park it wouldn't be so much
of a problem - could just set aside a room for pickups, say, and just
let security know names / car registration of whoever was coming to pick
something up that day.
Lesson learned, when someone offered us some Apple
equipment we accepted
them not really needing yet another mac or apple or whatever. Imagine my
delight when on examining the donation at ACONIT I opened a cardboard
box and see 2 pristine KIM-1 boards with full documentation.
Yes, we get that too. Often people think they're being sneaky by hiding
what they consider to be junk in with their dontation. We seem to get a
lot of old calculators that way!
cheers,
Jules
9:18 a.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
I'm trying to figure out a way that we can take
everything in order to
save it, but then offer things we're not interested in or can't
physically store long-term to other collectors (on this list, for
instance). I don't like the idea that if the museum doesn't take offered
equipment that a lot of the time it will get thrown out.
This dilemma is common amongst computer museums actually. There are
numerous problems, the least of which is insulting the donor if you do end
up selling of his/her prized computing possession as unworthy for your
collection :(
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10:47 a.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 18:18, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
Sure - it's always worth asking though. So far the only machine where
the donor explicitly wants the machine to stay at the museum is the
Marconi TAC (the UK's first transistor-based computer?). That's more to
do with the fact that the machine's from a power station and they want
to know where it is - UK newspapers could probably twist things into
some form of "old computers running critical applications blah blah
blah" story...
I've had the occasional donor who wants proceeds to go to their
favourite charity if the hardware they donate is ever sold, and
naturally I have no problem with that.
cheers,
Jules
I'm trying to figure out a way that we can
take everything in order to
save it, but then offer things we're not interested in or can't
physically store long-term to other collectors (on this list, for
instance). I don't like the idea that if the museum doesn't take offered
equipment that a lot of the time it will get thrown out.
This dilemma is common amongst computer museums actually. There are
numerous problems, the least of which is insulting the donor if you do end
up selling of his/her prized computing possession as unworthy for your
collection :( 
11:10 a.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
I get this problem a lot and have now started turning down equipment that is
too common. I got an email the other day to come pick up for free 34
complete systems (486 to P550's), had to pass. Sunday I was offered several
G3 towers for free, had to pass. The list goes on and yes people do get mad
at you for not taking their items. Even with a wanted list and donation
policy online people seem to still want to give me newer generic stuff. But
I still take items sometime just to be nice to little old ladies that call.
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
Festival
I'm trying to figure out a way that we can
take everything in order to
save it, but then offer things we're not interested in or can't
physically store long-term to other collectors (on this list, for
instance). I don't like the idea that if the museum doesn't take offered
equipment that a lot of the time it will get thrown out.
This dilemma is common amongst computer museums actually. There are
numerous problems, the least of which is insulting the donor if you do end
up selling of his/her prized computing possession as unworthy for your
collection :(
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New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
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I get this problem a lot and have now started turning
down equipment that
is
too common. I got an email the other day to come pick
up for free 34
complete systems (486 to P550's), had to pass. Sunday I was offered
several
G3 towers for free, had to pass. The list goes on and
yes people do get
mad
at you for not taking their items. Even with a wanted
list and donation
policy online people seem to still want to give me newer generic stuff.
But
I still take items sometime just to be nice to little
old ladies that
call.
Have you tried steering the people with P2's or better to charities that
redistribute those machines to needy families?
12:22 p.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
Yes I tell them about local churches or groups that are looking for
computers. I even pass the information on to the churches to follow-up on.
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> I get this problem a lot and have now started turning down equipment
that
is
too common. I got an email the other day to come
pick up for free 34
complete systems (486 to P550's), had to pass. Sunday I was offered
several
G3 towers for free, had to pass. The list goes on
and yes people do get
mad
at you for not taking their items. Even with a
wanted list and donation
policy online people seem to still want to give me newer generic stuff.
But
I still take items sometime just to be nice to
little old ladies that
call.
Have you tried steering the people with P2's or better to charities that
redistribute those machines to needy families?
2:56 p.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
At 03:10 PM 8/4/2004, "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> wrote:
I get this problem a lot and have now started turning
down equipment that is
too common. I got an email the other day to come pick up for free 34
complete systems (486 to P550's), had to pass. Sunday I was offered several
G3 towers for free, had to pass. The list goes on and yes people do get mad
at you for not taking their items. Even with a wanted list and donation
policy online people seem to still want to give me newer generic stuff. But
I still take items sometime just to be nice to little old ladies that call.
If you don't want the stuff, do you pass along the tips
to this mailing list or any other computer rescue list?
- John
2:30 p.m.
New subject: Donation policy was Re: CHM gripe
One problem with this decision making process is that
you might well
discard valuable items without knowing. Here at ACONIT we have a general
policy of always taking donations but with the proviso that we might
I've found this to be a good policy even for a private collection. Sure
you get a lot of no-name PC clones that way, but you don't miss out on
the insteresting stuff, and people tend to rememebr you when they have
something else to get rid of, which might be of more interest.
And anyway, PCs are a useful source of disk drives, PSU parts, chips, etc...
-tony
8 Aug
8 Aug
9:19 a.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
yes, it is best to call the person back the same day...
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
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5802 w palmaire ave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk>
To: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 03:05, Jim Battle wrote:
I'm not so keen on the CHM. I don't know
if I aired this already or
not, but I think not.
When I left the bay area a couple months ago, I tried to give my working
wang 2200 with terminal, manuals, working floppy disk system,
fixed/removable hard disk system, and disks.
It took a LOT of work (weeks of one-sided prodding) on my part to have
them consider it. "The curator will contact you in a few days..." (a
week passes), another email, "The curator will contact you in a few
days...", more time passes, another email, "Could you describe it
again?", etc.
After more than a month of delay, I received and email with the tenor of
a form letter along these lines: Dear Jim, thank you for considering the
CHM. Unfortunately at this time we don't have an interest in obtaining
your keypunch machine. Here are the names of some other museums that
may be interested ...
Well, Bletchley's not so much different I suppose. The museum's horribly
under-staffed by volunteers who are naturally busy doing other things
most of the time. The volunteers aren't local enough to see immediately
what examples of the machine being offered we have on site and the
condition. The only time there's generally a quick response is when it's
something we know we either don't have, or something so common that we
know we have lots of them or would have no trouble finding one when we
suddenly needed one.
Personally the first thing I usually ask of anyone offering to donate
something is how soon they need it gone :-) We've had people throw stuff
in the bin before because they haven't had a response the same day.
cheers,
Jules
9:02 a.m.
New subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
a pity you were not in Arizona, we would have given the Wang a home in a
heartbeat!
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Battle" <frustum(a)pacbell.net>
To: <General Discussion :>; "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:05 PM
Subject: CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
...
Anything that comes my way like that I usually
channel over the the
Computer History Museum. This would include several important items so
far.
I'm not so keen on the CHM. I don't know if I aired this already or
not, but I think not.
When I left the bay area a couple months ago, I tried to give my working
wang 2200 with terminal, manuals, working floppy disk system,
fixed/removable hard disk system, and disks.
It took a LOT of work (weeks of one-sided prodding) on my part to have
them consider it. "The curator will contact you in a few days..." (a
week passes), another email, "The curator will contact you in a few
days...", more time passes, another email, "Could you describe it
again?", etc.
After more than a month of delay, I received and email with the tenor of
a form letter along these lines: Dear Jim, thank you for considering the
CHM. Unfortunately at this time we don't have an interest in obtaining
your keypunch machine. Here are the names of some other museums that
may be interested ...
It went to the digibarn instead. That they didn't want my computer
isn't what ruffled me -- it was their seeming indifference to what I
thought was a generous offer. At any rate, I'm sure the computer ended
up with someone (Bruce) who appreciates it more than the CHM.
7:33 p.m.
Tom Jennings wrote:
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 13:41, William Donzelli wrote:
Speaking of Intel, Does anyone have or even know of any 432 or BiiN
systems existing? That's a rare bird.
Jim Davis.
Intel is known for many dead ends and bad timing.
They really are a pretty
innovative company - it is a shame they have this huge stain on
their history called x86.
Better known as $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$86.
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