21 Feb
2002
21 Feb
'02
3:31 a.m.
I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list. Our mail server
checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam
out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In
the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only
subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because
fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
Regards,
Jay Wests
21 Feb
21 Feb
3:52 a.m.
Just ignore the spam..that's what local filters and delete keys are good for.
It doesn't seem to be a big problem on this list at the moment.
Just my .02
-Bob
I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list.
Our mail server
checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam
out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In
the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only
subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because
fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
Regards,
Jay Wests
bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator
Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace
4:02 a.m.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jay West wrote:
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved
before I send them to
the list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the
ability to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the
list. Of course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that
perception. So.... advice please?
IMHO: Option 2. It's a nice gesture to not 'abuse' the privelege, but
then again it would be something to compensate you for the time, effort,
and resources committed to the list's existence. Thus I don't even care
if you 'abuse' the privelege.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
4:04 a.m.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jay West wrote:
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved
before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
As far as I'm concerned, if you're willing to take on the job of
filtering unsubscribed posts, you've earned first pick.
At least until the day _before_ you snatch my dream machine....
Seriously, I do think that duty should confer whatever perks it comes
with.
Doc
4:07 a.m.
Rumor has it that Jay West may have mentioned these words:
I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list.
Our mail server
checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam
out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In
the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only
subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because
fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
Jay, I don't want to insult your intelligence, but I've been doing
listserver & mail server admin for ~~7 years, so if you do need some
advice, lemme know.
There is a 3rd option, and it's called TMDA, or Tagged Message Delivery
Agent. (or pretty darned close) It can go right with your list, and
automatically whitelist anyone who's subscribed, but anyone who's not
subbed to the list, the message is held in a seperate queue for around 48
hrs. or so (it's configurable) and a confirmation message is sent back to
the original sender. If the confirmation is replied to, then the original
message gets submitted to the list. If it's not, after the timeout period
the message just falls into the bit-bucket behind the server. ;-)
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does
give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
TMDA would not give you any opportunity of "early browsing", as you
wouldn't see the message any sooner than the rest of us. (Unless you were
combing thru the "waiting for confirmation" queue, and you'd have to catch
the message before confirmation which for most folks wouldn't take long.)
TMDA can be configured to automatically whitelist anyone who confirms their
first message, then is trusted after that so the only time they'd see a new
confirmation message is if they mailed from a webmail address, or it can be
set up to confirm every time an email arrives from a non-subscriber.
Check here:
http://software.libertine.org/tmda/
Oh, it can also be set up in a "blacklist" configuration as well.
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
6:34 a.m.
Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it
that Jay West may have mentioned these words:
[Snip]
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
Jay, I don't want to insult your intelligence, but I've been doing
listserver & mail server admin for ~~7 years, so if you do need some
advice, lemme know.
There is a 3rd option, and it's called TMDA, or Tagged Message Delivery
Agent. (or pretty darned close) It can go right with your list, and
automatically whitelist anyone who's subscribed, but anyone who's not
subbed to the list, the message is held in a seperate queue for around 48
hrs. or so (it's configurable) and a confirmation message is sent back to
the original sender. If the confirmation is replied to, then the original
message gets submitted to the list. If it's not, after the timeout period
the message just falls into the bit-bucket behind the server. ;-) I would prefer
to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
TMDA would not give you any opportunity of "early
browsing", as you
wouldn't see the message any sooner than the rest of us. (Unless you were
combing thru the "waiting for confirmation" queue, and you'd have to catch
the message before confirmation which for most folks wouldn't take long.)
TMDA can be configured to automatically whitelist anyone who confirms their
first message, then is trusted after that so the only time they'd see a new
confirmation message is if they mailed from a webmail address, or it can be
set up to confirm every time an email arrives from a non-subscriber.
Check here:
http://software.libertine.org/tmda/
Oh, it can also be set up in a "blacklist" configuration as well. 
4:31 a.m.
1) close the list from non-subscriber posts
2) require non-subscriber posts be approved
I like both equally. As for the -see equipment early- thing,
If you determine the post latency time and promise to
respond 5 mins after that, that would be good enough for me.
It might not suit everyone. Look what happened to A.Andersen
after a while. All in all, I haven't see that much off list stuff
anyway, except when Fwd from a member, which is not
an issue here.
John A.
4:47 a.m.
As for option "2", not only does it get my vote (I think that whitelist
/ blacklist / sending confirm messages is cumbersome and will discourage
legitimate non-subscribed posts), but I re-iterate my offer to accept and
screen non-sub posts, and lest anyone *actually* think that such screening
would be used to 'cherry-pick' incoming offers.... that's kind of
insulting, on one level; maybe a faint concern, but the other opportunity
is to accept the spam, delete it, and ask that the obligatory "noise" that
each and every occurance generates be suppresses voluntarily.
/rant_on/
Yeah, folks - that was a Spam Post. We all read it. We know you read it.
Delete it, complain to the proper organization, launch Cyber-Armageddon on
the offending miscreants... but the big{er} problem with the small amount
of spam we get is, IMHO, that various listmembers feel compelled to pitch
a public fit *each and every time*... thus needlessly compounding the
problem.
/rant_off/
Again, I volunteer to accept non-sub traffic and pass on the UnSpam
parts of it, sending the residue to /dev/nul where it belongs.
Just my $.02
John
Back in Sunny Arizona; looking for a five to ten bedroom house on 40 acres
with one or two barns and/or outbuildings. Yeah it means I'll have to
sleep in the yard in a tent, but I'd have plenty of room for my Stuff.
For the first couple of months, at least....
5:07 a.m.
Jay West wrote:
I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list. Our mail server
checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam
out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In
the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only
subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because
fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
Regards,
Jay Wests
How about a diffreent approach, such as a submisssion form for
non-subscribers on a web page. Then we could peruse the mail at our own
discretion, and they wouldn't have access to our server. Those who
would complain would only have to blame themselves for NOT LOOKING.
Gary Hildebrand
7:28 a.m.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jay West wrote:
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved
before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
I think that we all agree that you deserve more compensation than that.
Nobody will object to giving you a headstart on OFF-LIST offers - do you
really want those Poqets at the high price? Need more Apple 2s? In the
even that something actually comes along that multiple people might be
anxious to get (Free Cray, with free delivery and setup?), then just wait
to get it until 1 minute after the post goes to the list.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
8:22 a.m.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jay West wrote:
I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the
list. Our mail server
checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam
out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In
the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only
subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because
fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
Regards,
Jay Wests
If you do anything, do what is most convenient for you.
- don
25 Feb
25 Feb
12:46 p.m.
Hi,
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
Suggest:
#0 ... do nothing.
followed by:
#2) requiring non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to
the list.
Note: I don't know if *my* email "from" matches how I'm subscribed!
(as "ss(a)allegro.com")com")!
thanks,
Stan
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler
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