13 Jun
2002
13 Jun
'02
1:15 a.m.
Hehe, there goes the last VAX out of my workplace, and right into
my garage. And its a 6610! That means I will need to add in a few
processors, but there is my NVAX. Much work is before me. I should
get Ultrix 4.2 ported to it starting with the 6000-400 files. It
can't be so hard after the 6000-500 runs... We'll see. Does
anyone have the processor internal registers for the KA66A?
With some luck we can drop in just a very small set of kernel files
that can be reused under Ultrix 4.5 binary. For NetBSD it will be a
little harder to replicate all the missing stuff. I think I will want
to set up a fast cross compiling or native VAX box for that first.
That also means that a 6400 will become free on relatively short
notice. This one goes to Micheal McCabe, if he wants it (?) I am a
bit reluctant yet to convert the 6400 to a -600 so quickly after
I barely set it up. I guess I will take some time to actually do
the conversion. But in a matter of 4 weeks after I took her home,
I should probably get rid of that extraneous then 64x0 cabinet.
(the 'x' depends a little on how I will distribute all the CPUs.)
Also, there are the XMI and VAXBI backplanes (with some defect,
but certainly not everything on both of them) free for the taking.
They aren't claimed yet and that means I will decompose those
shortly.
cheers,
-Gunther
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Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
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13 Jun
13 Jun
9:32 a.m.
sweet! an nvax -6000!!
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Gunther Schadow wrote:
Hehe, there goes the last VAX out of my workplace, and
right into
my garage. And its a 6610! That means I will need to add in a few
processors, but there is my NVAX. Much work is before me. I should
get Ultrix 4.2 ported to it starting with the 6000-400 files. It
can't be so hard after the 6000-500 runs... We'll see. Does
anyone have the processor internal registers for the KA66A?
With some luck we can drop in just a very small set of kernel files
that can be reused under Ultrix 4.5 binary. For NetBSD it will be a
little harder to replicate all the missing stuff. I think I will want
to set up a fast cross compiling or native VAX box for that first.
That also means that a 6400 will become free on relatively short
notice. This one goes to Micheal McCabe, if he wants it (?) I am a
bit reluctant yet to convert the 6400 to a -600 so quickly after
I barely set it up. I guess I will take some time to actually do
the conversion. But in a matter of 4 weeks after I took her home,
I should probably get rid of that extraneous then 64x0 cabinet.
(the 'x' depends a little on how I will distribute all the CPUs.)
Also, there are the XMI and VAXBI backplanes (with some defect,
but certainly not everything on both of them) free for the taking.
They aren't claimed yet and that means I will decompose those
shortly.
cheers,
-Gunther
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
9:59 a.m.
Just out of curiosity.... what are your electric bills like??? Doesn't the
6610 use a 220 line? Also, what about cooling.... my old Microvax II use
to push so much damned heat out of it, I used to be able to practically heat
my 1 room attic apartment in the winter from that beastie.
Curt
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From: "Gunther Schadow" <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org>
To: <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>rg>; <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; "Micheal H.
McCabe"
<p98mccabe(a)alltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:15 AM
Subject: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
Hehe, there goes the last VAX out of my workplace, and
right into
my garage. And its a 6610! That means I will need to add in a few
processors, but there is my NVAX. Much work is before me. I should
get Ultrix 4.2 ported to it starting with the 6000-400 files. It
can't be so hard after the 6000-500 runs... We'll see. Does
anyone have the processor internal registers for the KA66A?
With some luck we can drop in just a very small set of kernel files
that can be reused under Ultrix 4.5 binary. For NetBSD it will be a
little harder to replicate all the missing stuff. I think I will want
to set up a fast cross compiling or native VAX box for that first.
That also means that a 6400 will become free on relatively short
notice. This one goes to Micheal McCabe, if he wants it (?) I am a
bit reluctant yet to convert the 6400 to a -600 so quickly after
I barely set it up. I guess I will take some time to actually do
the conversion. But in a matter of 4 weeks after I took her home,
I should probably get rid of that extraneous then 64x0 cabinet.
(the 'x' depends a little on how I will distribute all the CPUs.)
Also, there are the XMI and VAXBI backplanes (with some defect,
but certainly not everything on both of them) free for the taking.
They aren't claimed yet and that means I will decompose those
shortly.
cheers,
-Gunther
--
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
11:40 a.m.
Just out of curiosity.... what are your electric bills
like???
Doesn't the 6610 use a 220 line? Also, what about cooling.... my old
Microvax II use to push so much damned heat out of it, I used to be
able to practically heat my 1 room attic apartment in the winter from
that beastie.
Nah, the 6000 line uses 208V 3phase... but there's a simple coversion to
220 single phase. I haven't measured, but rumour has it drawing about the
same as 3-4 '486 boxen. I'd imagine that's just one processor, though.
My 6320 doesn't seem to out out as much heat as my network rack, but then
again it has some big fans...
Curt
Bob
10:41 a.m.
--- Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> wrote:
Hehe, there goes the last VAX out of my workplace, and
right into
my garage...
Been there, done that, but it was all 11/7xx machines. :-) (well...
that plus some bitty Qbus ones and the one 8200)
And its a 6610!
Nice.
Also, there are the XMI and VAXBI backplanes (with
some defect,
but certainly not everything on both of them) free for the taking.
They aren't claimed yet and that means I will decompose those
shortly.
Does this mean that you might have some BI peripherals shaking loose?
You won't have one, but what I'm really looking for at the moment
is a 16MB VAXBI memory card or two - between a wad of 4MB and 2MB cards,
basic peripherals (KDB50, COMBOARD-BI, DEBNT, 2nd CPU (if I run my 8200
as an 8300), DMB32), I'm out of BI slots. I could probably get away
with one 16MB card (MS820-DA?) and run it with a 4MB card or two - that
should be plenty of RAM for one user. We used to run the entire company
on an 11/750 w/8MB in the mid-1990s - the two biggest memory pigs were
VMS MAIL and MASS-11 (3rd-party word processor).
So... while I'm sure you don't have one, I intend to get one eventually,
leaving room for interesting BI peripherals, should any show up. I
know that BI SCSI cards were made, but at $8K-$10 a pop, they didn't
sell like hot cakes. Love to locate one, though.
-ethan
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14 Jun
12:22 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I do have a stock of spare cards. Not too much interesting stuff
though.
--- Gunther Schadow
<gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> wrote:
>Hehe, there goes the last VAX out of my workplace, and right into
>my garage...
Been there, done that, but it was all 11/7xx machines. :-) (well...
that plus some bitty Qbus ones and the one 8200)
Still have those? It's fun isn't it, my 11/780 is a very nice
decoration to the garage :-)
Also, there are
the XMI and VAXBI backplanes (with some defect,
but certainly not everything on both of them) free for the taking.
They aren't claimed yet and that means I will decompose those
shortly.
Does this mean that you might have some BI peripherals shaking loose? You won't have one, but what I'm really
looking for at the moment
is a 16MB VAXBI memory card or two - between a wad of 4MB and 2MB cards,
sorry, no memory, I never had a pure VAXBI machine.
basic peripherals (KDB50, COMBOARD-BI, DEBNT, 2nd CPU
(if I run my 8200
as an 8300), DMB32),
I bought a few superflous DEBNx cards. The funny thing is they
say DEBNT on the outside but when I run them the SHOW CONFIG
says "DEBNI". I don't know who's lying.
I'm out of BI slots.
Hmm, isn't there something like a VAXBI bus extender? In that
case you might have use for my VAXBI double backplane?
So... while I'm sure you don't have one, I
intend to get one eventually,
leaving room for interesting BI peripherals, should any show up. I
know that BI SCSI cards were made, but at $8K-$10 a pop, they didn't
sell like hot cakes. Love to locate one, though.
Ah the SCSI stuff. Yea, I have given up on that. SDI disks are
a lot more fun, frankly. But I do have an MTI StingRay storage
rack that has a CI controller and loads of SCSI drives. I just
need to learn how to use it.
-Gunther
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
17 Jun
17 Jun
11:50 a.m.
--- Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> wrote:
Hmm... what's the difference? I know DEC tweaked their Ethernet
peripherals from time-to-time (DEQNA, DELQA, DESQA...), but I've
never seen a concise write-up of what, when, where and why. I do
recall the guys at Ohio State optimizing the Ethernet drivers for
their Pyramid machines and squirting several packets back-to-back,
with such little interval time that they wedged a uVAX-II with a
DEQNA - it had an on-board buffer, but they gave it one more packet
than it had time to deal with, even to discern if the packet was
bound for the uVAX or not. If a slug of data went down the hose,
even between two other machines, the DEQNA would croak.
I don't think so. Among other things, there's only so many BI IDs
(four-bit number IIRC).
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Yep. The 11/750 and 11/730 are in storage, but the 8200 is in
my basement and sees occasional use.
Been there, done that, but it was all 11/7xx
machines.
Still have those? It's fun isn't it, my 11/780 is a very nice
decoration to the garage :-) basic
peripherals (KDB50, COMBOARD-BI, DEBNT, 2nd CPU (if I run my 8200
as an 8300), DMB32),
I bought a few superflous DEBNx cards. The funny thing is they
say DEBNT on the outside but when I run them the SHOW CONFIG
says "DEBNI". I don't know who's lying. I'm out of
BI slots.
Hmm, isn't there something like a VAXBI bus extender? In that
case you might have use for my VAXBI double backplane? Ah the SCSI stuff. Yea, I have given up on that. SDI
disks are
a lot more fun...
I have several hundred pounds of SDI drives. I'd be happy with
a couple for show (and interchange, perhaps), but SCSI for better
megabytes/pound numbers.
-ethan
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6:22 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
I have several hundred pounds of SDI drives. I'd
be happy with
a couple for show (and interchange, perhaps), but SCSI for better
You just said you had a couple SDI drives... :)
megabytes/pound numbers.
-ethan
Bob
18 Jun
18 Jun
8:58 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schaefer" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
Considering an RA8x weighs in around 64Kg, yes. :^)
geoff in oz
I have several hundred pounds of SDI drives.
I'd be happy with
a couple for show (and interchange, perhaps), but SCSI for better
You just said you had a couple SDI drives... :)
19 Jun
19 Jun
1:34 p.m.
--- Geoff Roberts <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> wrote:
Indeed... I have a working RA81 in a rack next to the 8200. I have
a probably-defective RA81 on the floor next to it (have been playing
with the internal serial diagnostic connector and I think the
replacement HDA is dead). I also have an RA81 in storage. Fortunately,
I have some smaller stuff, too - an MBA ESDI<->SDI box with a pair of
1.2GB ESDI disks, and a couple of RA70s.
My goal is to shed all but one RA81 and keep the 5.25" drives.
-ethan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
Considering an RA8x weighs in around 64Kg, yes. :^) I have several hundred pounds of SDI drives.
I'd be happy with
a couple for show (and interchange, perhaps), but SCSI for better
You just said you had a couple SDI drives... :)
3:21 p.m.
--- Geoff Roberts <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> wrote:
Indeed... I have a working RA81 in a rack next to the 8200. I have a
probably-defective RA81 on the floor next to it (have been playing with
the internal serial diagnostic connector and I think the
replacement HDA is dead). I also have an RA81 in storage.
Fortunately, I have some smaller stuff, too - an MBA ESDI<->SDI box
with a pair of 1.2GB ESDI disks, and a couple of RA70s.
I have a RA82 in the bottom of the TU81+, and a RA92 in the bottom of the
VAX 6320. Perhaps soon I will be able to boot the newest addition to the
VAXherd, a VAX 4000 200, via the RA82. I'll worry about PAKs later, I
guess.
How cool is a console port on a harddrive? Would an 313373 hAx0r
understand the rush of loggin in to your mass storage device?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
Considering an RA8x weighs in around 64Kg, yes. :^) I have several hundred pounds of SDI drives.
I'd be happy with a
couple for show (and interchange, perhaps), but SCSI for better
You just said you had a couple SDI drives... :)
My goal is to shed all but one RA81 and keep the 5.25" drives.
I wouldn't mind another RA92 in the VAX either.
-ethan
ob
4:17 p.m.
--- Robert F Schaefer <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org> wrote:
Pah! So new!
> > -----
Original Message -----
> > From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: A VAX 6610 is rolling toward my garage ...
...I have a... defective RA81...been playing
with
the internal serial diagnostic connector...
I have a RA82 in the bottom of the TU81+, and a RA92 in the bottom of the
VAX 6320. How cool is a console port on a harddrive? Would an
313373 hAx0r
understand the rush of loggin in to your mass storage device?
No kidding. DEC FS had this hand-held terminal that was powered off
of a jack next to the DB-25. I've seen pictures but never seen one
in use. We always use to run a cable out to a real VT100. I have
also used a Palm Pilot with travel cable and VT100 app as a terminal
for monitoring this drive and for reconfiguring Cisco routers.
The only thing cooler than a serial port on a mass-storage device
is talking to it on a terminal that fits in your pocket!
-ethan
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4:34 p.m.
No kidding. DEC FS had this hand-held terminal that
was
powered off of a jack next to the DB-25. I've seen pictures
but never seen one in use.
I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from 1982.
It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
about 2.5x the size of a cellphone.
I can put up a picture for those interested.
John A.
5:02 p.m.
--- John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> wrote:
That sounds like the creature.
No kidding.
DEC FS had this hand-held terminal that was
powered off of a jack next to the DB-25. I've seen pictures
but never seen one in use.
I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from 1982.
It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
about 2.5x the size of a cellphone. I can put up a picture for those interested.
Sure.
-ethan
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20 Jun
20 Jun
10:44 a.m.
Emanuel,
if you are not limited to the Telnet protocol, but also willing to
accept others, then try to get a DSSI disk or a HSC
(hierarchical/"high-speed" storage controller between CI cluster
interconnect and SDI serial disk interface, originally): these allow SET
HOST/DUP and SET HOST/HSC, respectively, from a VMS node. These fit the
10-year rule: VMS always was cool! ;-)
emanuel stiebler wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
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The only thing cooler than a serial port on a mass-storage device
is talking to it on a terminal that fits in your pocket!
I think, if you can telnet in a mass-storage device, that's cool ;-) 
noon
if you are not limited to the Telnet protocol, but
also willing to
accept others, then try to get a DSSI disk or a HSC
(hierarchical/"high-speed" storage controller between CI cluster
interconnect and SDI serial disk interface, originally): these allow SET
HOST/DUP and SET HOST/HSC, respectively, from a VMS node. These fit the
10-year rule: VMS always was cool! ;-)
Don't forget the HSJs allow SET HOST/DUP and the HSZs allow
SET HOST/SCSI. The HSDs also allow SET HOST/DUP. I'm not
sure about the HSGs and HSVs.
The HSx controllers also have a serial port, so you can
connect them ports to a terminal server and telnet to
the ports that way.
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12:30 p.m.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Eric Dittman wrote:
Don't forget the HSJs allow SET HOST/DUP and the HSZs allow
SET HOST/SCSI. The HSDs also allow SET HOST/DUP. I'm not
sure about the HSGs and HSVs.
HSG's allow SET HOST /SCSI (I admit I have not tried it in VMS, but HSZ's
and HSG's use the same /usr/lbin/hsxterm utility which is the Tru64 unix
equivalent of SET HOST /SCSI).
You can do the equivalent of SET HOST /DUP in ULTRIX (and I believe in
Tru OSF 64) with the dupterm utility. You need dup support compiled into
your kernel.
The HSx controllers also have a serial port, so you
can
connect them ports to a terminal server and telnet to
the ports that way.
--
19 Jun
19 Jun
10:35 p.m.
> No kidding. DEC FS had this hand-held terminal
that was
> powered off of a jack next to the DB-25. I've seen pictures
> but never seen one in use.
I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from 1982.
It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
about 2.5x the size of a cellphone.
I can put up a picture for those interested.
And I have something that sounds a lot like it, called the TC200,
with the Digital brand on it. Check out the picture on my web
page...
Megan Gentry
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20 Jun
20 Jun
4:48 p.m.
+AD4- the TC200, with the Digital brand on it.
+AD4- Check out the picture on my web page...
http://world.std.com/+AH4-mbg/tc200.jpg
+AD4APg-I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from 1982.
+AD4APg-It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
Here's the older DEC box (larger,
no internal modem) in photo as promised.
http://www.panix.com/+AH4-allain/vt12.jpg
John A.
4:59 p.m.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, John Allain wrote:
+AD4- the TC200, with the Digital brand on it.
+AD4- Check out the picture on my web page...
http://world.std.com/+AH4-mbg/tc200.jpg
+AD4APg-I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from 1982.
+AD4APg-It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
Here's the older DEC box (larger,
no internal modem) in photo as promised.
http://www.panix.com/+AH4-allain/vt12.jpg
John A.
Okay, what is the root of the evil behind these strange `+AH4' `+AD4'
and `+AD4Pg' special character escape sequences showing up in the above
message? I think I smell Microsoft, and it smells bad.
-brian.
5:06 p.m.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, John Allain wrote:
You got it....here's the info from his header:
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200
Jeff
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+AD4- the TC200, with the Digital brand on it.
+AD4- Check out the picture on my web page...
http://world.std.com/+AH4-mbg/tc200.jpg
+AD4APg-I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from 1982.
+AD4APg-It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
Here's the older DEC box (larger,
no internal modem) in photo as promised.
http://www.panix.com/+AH4-allain/vt12.jpg
John A.
Okay, what is the root of the evil behind these strange `+AH4' `+AD4'
and `+AD4Pg' special character escape sequences showing up in the above
message? I think I smell Microsoft, and it smells bad.
5:15 p.m.
the TC200, with the Digital brand on it.
Check out the picture on my web page...
http://world.std.com/~mbg/tc200.jpg
>I have a thingie here called a DEC-VT12, from
1982.
>It's a Termiflex with two-line LED alphanumeric display,
Here's the older DEC box (larger,
no internal modem) in photo as promised.
http://www.panix.com/~allain/vt12.jpg
John A.
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