11 Mar
2007
11 Mar
'07
3:07 a.m.
> The web as subsumed all of this, in an inferior
fashion, IMHO.
Yeah, but I think of the things I used to easily find
with archie and
now I can't find them at all with google even with targetted searches
for specific filenames.
Google doesn't spider for filenames, just content. If a list of filenames
doesn't show up on a web page, Google won't see it.
As an example, I just did a search for "adsMstr_6-76.log"
which can be found at http://bitsavers.org/bits/Datapoint/cassetteDumps/
and there were no hits from google, yahoo, altavista, or google code search.
It is odd, though that Google doesn't find the page from
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Datapoint/cassetteDumps/, so apparently it won't
index content that is a directory.
It would be interesting to know if there is a search engine that can in
fact find a file by name. There are several files I have been searching
for that I know the name of, but not where they might exist on the web.
11 Mar
11 Mar
3:28 a.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
Google doesn't spider for filenames, just content.
If a list of filenames
doesn't show up on a web page, Google won't see it.
Wrong. See below.
As an example, I just did a search for
"adsMstr_6-76.log"
which can be found at http://bitsavers.org/bits/Datapoint/cassetteDumps/
and there were no hits from google, yahoo, altavista, or google code
search.
That's because it wasn't indexed. A search for "20164_dos.c_1.1.bin"
does indeed point to bitsavers, which was indexed.
Maybe you have a robots.txt somewhere? Try re-submitting your site to
the engines again.
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10:49 a.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
It's why I've mentioned a few times that I think some sort of mechanism to
share "who has what" for the vintage community - tailored for our specific
needs - would be nice. That way someone searching for content only needs to
find a site participating in the scheme, and then it can use *its* search
mechanism to find information.
Rather than some process trying to guess what information makes up a page (as
with Google), I'd see it more that people with participating sites would
explicitly publish what they had available so share - at least giving control
over what could appear in search results.
Kind of like manx - but with the interface side distributable across multiple
sites (plus I can never remember if the data for manx is driven by the
"owners" of the content or by people entering info when they happen to stumble
across something)
> The web as
subsumed all of this, in an inferior fashion, IMHO.
Yeah, but I think of the things I used to easily
find with archie and
now I can't find them at all with google even with targetted searches
for specific filenames.
Google doesn't spider for filenames, just content. If a list of filenames
doesn't show up on a web page, Google won't see it. 
11:59 a.m.
--- Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
It's why I've mentioned a few times that I
think
some sort of mechanism to
share "who has what" for the vintage community -
tailored for our specific
needs - would be nice. That way someone searching
for content only needs to
find a site participating in the scheme, and then it
can use *its* search
mechanism to find information.
IT'S WHY I SUGGESTED SOMETIME AGO ON A WEBRING TYPE
THING FOR VINTIJ FOLK. EVERYONE IS IN CHARGE OF
SOMETHING. AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TIE IT ALTOGETHER
AND THAT FACILITATES SEARCHES. BUT OF COURSE EVERYONE
IGNORED IT! OI VAY U HOSERZ!!!
I bought my own domain. And of course I aim to
archive all the groovy ICBM incompatible stuph I can
find. Tony Duell stole my terminology.
The other idea I had was to arrange a marathon lol.
Everyone would "get together" for like a 24-hour
period (or maybe even a week) and busy themselves
with scarfing up all the vintij goodies they could
find on the net. There's still stuff out there if you
look long and hard enough. You got to use your noggins
though :).
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12 Mar
12 Mar
10:38 p.m.
Jules wrote....
It's why I've mentioned a few times that I
think some sort of mechanism to
share "who has what" for the vintage community - tailored for our specific
needs - would be nice. That way someone searching for content only needs
to find a site participating in the scheme, and then it can use *its*
search mechanism to find information.
I was honestly thinking LDAP. Something like
this is being looked in to :)
Jay
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