They do, don't they? Well, default configured Enlightenment/Gnome and KDE anyway. That's creativity for you ;) Debian's nice, but it has its share of "political" garbage too, like the "GNU/Linux" plastered all over the place, or the fact that they insist on keeping "non-free" software separate. NetBSD is kind of nice (not spotless), as far as politics go. Well, strictly speaking, depending on the amount of work you'd like to put into it, you can upgrade anything with a modem. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '