14 Jan
2004
14 Jan
'04
2:27 p.m.
Hello All:
I've just started a new job (!) at a small firm that does computer
consulting for architectural firms. One project we are involved with is a
study for the Art Institute of Chicago on how best to collect the digital
design data (CAD files, 3D renderings, PowerPoint client presentations,
etc.) that architects are more and more producing. One question that has
arisen is, even if we save the raw files, how will we view them in 50 (or
even 5) years? The AIC doesn't want to collect all the systems and software
that architects use, so the suggestion to use emulators has come up.
I'd like to pick the collective brains of the list and ask what emulators
people know of. If you could email me at
rfeldman<at>kfa<dash>inc<dot>com,
listing the hardware and software emulated and what the emulator runs on,
I'd appreciate it.
Many thanks in advance,
Bob
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14 Jan
14 Jan
2:50 p.m.
I'd like to pick the collective brains of the list
and ask what emulators people know of. If you could email me at
rfeldman<at>kfa<dash>inc<dot>com, listing the hardware and software
emulated and what the emulator runs on, I'd appreciate it.
For DEC Emulators, check out my website at http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html
though there are a couple new ones such as the DEC Professional 350 emulator that
aren't listed yet.
Zane
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2:52 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Feldman" <r_a_feldman(a)hotmail.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:27 PM
Subject: Emulators of Classic Computers
Hello All:
I've just started a new job (!) at a small firm that does computer
consulting for architectural firms. One project we are involved with is a
study for the Art Institute of Chicago on how best to collect the digital
design data (CAD files, 3D renderings, PowerPoint client presentations,
etc.) that architects are more and more producing. One question that has
arisen is, even if we save the raw files, how will we view them in 50 (or
even 5) years? The AIC doesn't want to collect all the systems and
software
that architects use, so the suggestion to use
emulators has come up.
I'd like to pick the collective brains of the list and ask what emulators
people know of. If you could email me at
rfeldman<at>kfa<dash>inc<dot>com,
listing the hardware and software emulated and what the emulator runs on,
I'd appreciate it.
Many thanks in advance,
Bob
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Even if you can emulate the old hardware with software that same software
will have to run on the computer architecture thats around in 50 years so
good luck. Even today programs that convert from 1 format of cad package to
anothger always have something that needs fixed. The only real backup is to
do what people have been doing for 100's of years, print it to paper and
store it in multiple places and then microfiche the printouts for space
saving storage. I have been at engineering companies that have no idea where
the cad file for a system is (the people quit and their filing system went
with them), but you can find the printouts to see what they did. Paperless
offices really dont exist as far as I have seen. Even if you had an emulator
that viewed the file on whatever machine is available in 50 years the data
itself would be almost worthless because people cant modify anything without
redrawing the whole thing anyway.
3:40 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Robert Feldman wrote:
I've just started a new job (!) at a small firm
that does computer
consulting for architectural firms. One project we are involved with is a
study for the Art Institute of Chicago on how best to collect the digital
design data (CAD files, 3D renderings, PowerPoint client presentations,
etc.) that architects are more and more producing. One question that has
arisen is, even if we save the raw files, how will we view them in 50 (or
even 5) years? The AIC doesn't want to collect all the systems and software
that architects use, so the suggestion to use emulators has come up.
I would do this:
1) Gather all the relevant data files into one place
2) Find whatever technical data you can on the formats of the data files
3) Gather up all the applications used to create the various files and
their documentation
4) Gather up all the operating systems that those applications run on
5) Burn this all to DVD ROM
Keep this all on a "live" archive (i.e. a hard drive) and DVD ROM and
update the medium (migrate the "live" archive to a new hard drive and
re-burn the DVD ROMs or upgrade to the latest and greatest archival medium
of the day) every 2-3 years.
I'd like to pick the collective brains of the list
and ask what emulators
people know of. If you could email me at
rfeldman<at>kfa<dash>inc<dot>com,
listing the hardware and software emulated and what the emulator runs on,
I'd appreciate it.
Emulators for what? PeeCees? I don't think there are PC emulators yet,
except on other platforms (like the Mac) for compatibility purposes.
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4:21 p.m.
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From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Emulators of Classic Computers
emulators
Festival
You forgot to mention to burn a cracked warez copy of every program so you
can run them at a later date without the dongle that connects to ports that
no longer exist ( parrallel ports will be extinct in 10 years just like
serial ports and ISA slots are rare these days).
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Robert Feldman wrote:
> I've just started a new job (!) at a small firm that does computer
> consulting for architectural firms. One project we are involved with is
a
> study for the Art Institute of Chicago on how
best to collect the
digital
> design data (CAD files, 3D renderings, PowerPoint
client presentations,
> etc.) that architects are more and more producing. One question that has
> arisen is, even if we save the raw files, how will we view them in 50
(or
> even 5) years? The AIC doesn't want to
collect all the systems and
software
that
architects use, so the suggestion to use emulators has come up.
I would do this:
1) Gather all the relevant data files into one place
2) Find whatever technical data you can on the formats of the data files
3) Gather up all the applications used to create the various files and
their documentation
4) Gather up all the operating systems that those applications run on
5) Burn this all to DVD ROM
Keep this all on a "live" archive (i.e. a hard drive) and DVD ROM and
update the medium (migrate the "live" archive to a new hard drive and
re-burn the DVD ROMs or upgrade to the latest and greatest archival medium
of the day) every 2-3 years.
> I'd like to pick the collective brains of the list and ask what > people know of. If you could email me at
rfeldman<at>kfa<dash>inc<dot>com,
> listing the hardware and software emulated and
what the emulator runs
on,
I'd
appreciate it.
Emulators for what? PeeCees? I don't think there are PC emulators yet,
except on other platforms (like the Mac) for compatibility purposes.
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9:58 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, John Allain wrote:
Ah yes. Of course. What wasn't related is whether the data set in
question includes data from that far back (I was assuming, probably
wrongly, we were talking within the past 20 years).
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Emulators for
what? PeeCees?
CAD was done on Minis before 1985, and on
Mainframes (egad) before 1975. 
10:17 p.m.
Wondering if anyone has a 3-D CAD drawing on punched cards.......
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Emulators of Classic Computers
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, John Allain wrote:
Ah yes. Of course. What wasn't related is whether the data set in
question includes data from that far back (I was assuming, probably
wrongly, we were talking within the past 20 years).
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Emulators for
what? PeeCees?
CAD was done on Minis before 1985, and on
Mainframes (egad) before 1975. 
8:22 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 14:05, Andy Holt wrote:
One
catch with emulators is that much of the relevant software is heavily
copy-protected via dongles which might make emulation problematic.
And history will pay back all those #$##holes like Disney et al with
their time-limited, server-encrypted media, when in 5, 10, 20 years
hence entire games, texts, audio, dvds, etc become unreadable, and their
issue evaporates. It's still bad though, all data should be saved (as a
rule).
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