How about the Philips P2000 family? I have not seen messages about those machines on the list. Z80 system, 48K RAM, 16K ROM in a cart so it was easy to change programs, micro cassette recorder that was operated by the computer so no fiddling with buttons, floppy drives optional, video 40x24 color (viewdata/teletext character set) or 80x24 monochrome. Started life as a dedicated word processor, BASIC cart added later. There was a disk operating system that could work with the programs originally meant for cassette use only, and CP/M was available. P2000T was the 40x24 cassette version, P2000M was the 80x24 disk version. There also was a P2000C, which was a 'portable' machine like the Kaypro's, but it ran CP/M only and was not compatible with the P2000T/M. AFAIK they were all developed and produced in the Philips factories in Austria. Picture of a P2000M at http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/sroom.html Picture of a P2000C at http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/lroom.html Kees -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - pb0aia(a)iae.nl Sysadmin and DEC PDP/VAX preservationist - Visit VAXarchive! http://vaxarchive.ml.org (primary) - http://www.sevensages.org/vax/ (mirror) See my old computers at http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/ Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered