28 Oct
1998
28 Oct
'98
1:58 a.m.
>> even breaking the lists in two - on and off
topic
>> so that ppl with common interests can also talk about other things (like
>> experiences)
>> both lists would die though
I actually had a similar thought and it could work. Is
it
possible to create an off-topic mailing list that is not publicly
advertised and cannot be subscribed to unless one were already a
subscriber to the on-topic one? Those that want the on-topic list
could get that, those who want both would get both and no one could
subscribe to only the off-topic one. The unwritten rule is that no new
topic could be spontaneously generated on the off-topic one and the
only new threads allowable would be those banished from the on-topic list.
Of course threads would be allowed to meander and mutate once they were
released to the off-topic list. This is just a thought. It certainly
would allow for these brief hot torrents of opinion on semi off-topic
material to run their course without inconveniencing those who wish to
only see hardcore tech info. The off-topic list would be like a sidebar
only accessible to those who read the on-topic one.
Nice talk, but just think how hard it seams to be just to
change the Subject line at the right moment AND to get all
participants into changing it - not to mention the time delay.
This is just an international thing - when I get up and have
a first look at it Allison is still sleeping, Uncle Roger
(or the other US West Coast guys) are just about to find their
sleeping position, while Olminkhof is right about to leave
the office - I've seen these things from other lists and
news groups. It is just impossible. It is even impossible
to live such a policy within a worldwide collaboration tool
for a project. Even when corporate and special rules try
to enforce it.
And Moderation is just the dead of any list (maybe beside
a anouncement list for 0190 (1-900) services, where they
don't need any spontanous answer.
> This is not IRC, it is a mailing list. There is
no need to use the
> silly little abbreviations designed to "speed up" on-line chat and
> the typing of same. Use English or as close an approximation as you
> can. Capital letters help as well as punctuation -- a carriage return
Thank you. I hope I'm not hurting your eyes to hard. Fact is that
some abbrevation like SCNR or AFAIK/R are thruout usefull, and
fixed, so they can be used like IBM or VAX. But, I also dislike
this ur2slw4me stuff - I need twice the to read it than regular.
Hey---just kidding around!! There are times this list
seriously lacks any sense of humor.
It is ? I found some real good ones in the list :)
Gruss
H.
P.S.: and for NINE mails in one day - I prefer to answer or
comment directly, just to keep it small (ok, ok, I know I
tend to elaborate whole bibles if I like something) and simple.
Writing a mail composing several themes - what should it
be named ? - where should it link ? And who will read it ?
Just beside from the problem I would have to use additional
word processing tools to combine it with the impossibility to
keep an overview - I still have to do some regular job in my
spare time.
P.P.S.: Satisfied ?
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
28 Oct
28 Oct
7:08 a.m.
New subject: A Proposal (was - Re: Noise levels increasing and....)
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Hans Franke wrote:
I still say it is a worthy experiment. I do not know if it can be
implemented at the listserver, but that is after all the point of
software, to implement a specific goal.
>> even
breaking the lists in two - on and off topic
>> so that ppl with common interests can also talk about other things (like
>> both lists would die though
I actually had a similar thought and it could
work. Is it
possible to create an off-topic mailing list that is not publicly
advertised and cannot be subscribed to unless one were already a
subscriber to the on-topic one? Those that want the on-topic list
could get that, those who want both would get both and no one could
subscribe to only the off-topic one. The unwritten rule is that no new
topic could be spontaneously generated on the off-topic one and the
only new threads allowable would be those banished from the on-topic list.
Of course threads would be allowed to meander and mutate once they were
released to the off-topic list. This is just a thought. It certainly
would allow for these brief hot torrents of opinion on semi off-topic
material to run their course without inconveniencing those who wish to
only see hardcore tech info. The off-topic list would be like a sidebar
only accessible to those who read the on-topic one.
Nice talk, but just think how hard it seams to be just to
change the Subject line at the right moment AND to get all
participants into changing it - not to mention the time delay.
This is just an international thing - when I get up and have
a first look at it Allison is still sleeping, Uncle Roger
(or the other US West Coast guys) are just about to find their
sleeping position, while Olminkhof is right about to leave
the office - I've seen these things from other lists and
news groups. It is just impossible. It is even impossible
to live such a policy within a worldwide collaboration tool
for a project. Even when corporate and special rules try
to enforce it.
And Moderation is just the dead of any list (maybe beside
a anouncement list for 0190 (1-900) services, where they
don't need any spontanous answer.
Agreed. The point is to provide the tool for self moderation. I have
reasonable confidence that members of this list could manage to make use
of such a tool to effectively move 90% of the semi off topic material
voluntarily so the main list could function normally.
The key is that List "B", the off topic one, cannot be subscribed to by
someone "off the street". It would only be available as an option to
those who sign on to List "A". That way everybody understands what their
responsibilty is. The current list continues to be public; the new list
becomes a private sidebar, signed on to by what will probably be a
subset of "A" (perhaps half?).
It seems to me this list will have periodic flareups of festering wounds
like West Coast abundance vs. East Coast drought, US insensitivity vs.
the rest of the world, Ebay users vs. Ebay haters (and some of us are
both!!) and ego conflict in general. Hoping this latest batch will
die down and go away and nothing will surface again is similar to the y2K
"ostrich" approach.
Plus the List "B" could also be used for other near off topic subjects.
Who knows what will come up?
I think it is at least worth a short term 2 or 3 month experiment.
-- Stephen Dauphin
7:23 a.m.
New subject: A Proposal (was - Re: Noise levels increasing and....)
What's the point in proposing another list? If you want to try the
experiment, build it. Make it happen.
ObCC: I picked up a Burroughs C3207 calc the other day. Nixie tubes and
transistors. It doesn't go, and I have no idea how to make it go again.
All I know is that Nixies are high-voltage, so I'm reluctant to poke my
fingers in there.
-- Doug
8:01 a.m.
New subject: A Proposal (was - Re: Noise levels increasing and....)
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
What's the point in proposing another list? If
you want to try the
experiment, build it. Make it happen.
Read the proposal. It isn't strictly a separate list. It is a list
connected by a one-way umbilical cord to the current list. It can't be
done by just creating another list. It has to be done on the current
server. Whether the list software is malleable enough to be shaped to the
task, I do not know. I am leaving it to others to comment on the
technical issue. The idea is to experiment and create a parallel flood
channel for certain things that run hot for a couple of weeks but are not
completely on topic. I don't think this is a "bozo" idea, and I hope you
will ponder its implications for more than a few minutes.
-- Steve
9:03 a.m.
New subject: A Proposal (was - Re: Noise levels increasing and....)
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Stephen Dauphin wrote:
Read the proposal. It isn't strictly a separate
list. It is a list
connected by a one-way umbilical cord to the current list. It can't be
done by just creating another list. It has to be done on the current
server. Whether the list software is malleable enough to be shaped to the
task, I do not know. I am leaving it to others to comment on the
technical issue. The idea is to experiment and create a parallel flood
channel for certain things that run hot for a couple of weeks but are not
completely on topic. I don't think this is a "bozo" idea, and I hope you
will ponder its implications for more than a few minutes.
I didn't comment on the merit of the idea, but nobody is going to do this
for you. AFAICT, the original list admin headed for Nirvana, SD a year or
so ago to become a Unix guru. The list is just free-floating in
cyberspace with nobody to maintain it. I'd like to experiment with some
listserver ideas myself someday, but there's no shortage of ideas, just a
shortage of implementation time. If you want to try something like you've
proposed, you'll have to do it yourself.
-- Doug
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