13 Sep
2013
13 Sep
'13
12:44 a.m.
I will be putting my Electronika 85, a Russian clone of the DEC Pro 350 up
for sale on eBay tomorrow ( Friday the 13th) at noon. It doesn't power up,
but other than that it's in good condition. I have found the schematics and
some technical documentation (in Cyrillic, of course) that will be
available to the buyer.
When I first got this computer around 9-10 years ago, I checked the power
supply and I think is the culprit, as there was no juice at the leads at
all. It has a very tiny fuse and it;s impossible to tell if it may be at
fault.
The last one on Ebay was up for sale at around 3000-3500 and was a working
one complete with monitor and keyboard. This one is waaaaay more
reasonable, even if it is not working.
I'll post the auction reference number in the am when I finish up the
auction listing in the morning.
Cheers
tomP
13 Sep
13 Sep
9:34 a.m.
The Electronika-85 is now on Ebay. 189717067001
For today only I;m offering any ccmp listers a 15% discount on the asking
price (fixed) So deduct 15% (round up) on the "make offer" and it's yours.
If on the last day (5 day auction) it's not sold let me have your low-ball
offers LOL.
This goes for my other auctions too.
cheers
Tom P
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com>wrote:
I will be putting my Electronika 85, a Russian clone
of the DEC Pro 350 up
for sale on eBay tomorrow ( Friday the 13th) at noon. It doesn't power up,
but other than that it's in good condition. I have found the schematics and
some technical documentation (in Cyrillic, of course) that will be
available to the buyer.
When I first got this computer around 9-10 years ago, I checked the power
supply and I think is the culprit, as there was no juice at the leads at
all. It has a very tiny fuse and it;s impossible to tell if it may be at
fault.
The last one on Ebay was up for sale at around 3000-3500 and was a working
one complete with monitor and keyboard. This one is waaaaay more
reasonable, even if it is not working.
I'll post the auction reference number in the am when I finish up the
auction listing in the morning.
Cheers
tomP
14 Sep
14 Sep
11:52 a.m.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com> wrote:
The Electronika-85 is now on Ebay. 189717067001
For today only I;m offering any ccmp listers a 15% discount on the asking
price (fixed) So deduct 15% (round up) on the "make offer" and it's yours.
Tom - that auction number does not come up. Did the listing go live yet?
--
jht
12:06 p.m.
On Sep 14, 2013 11:57 AM, "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com>
wrote:
> The Electronika-85 is now on Ebay. 189717067001
>
> For today only I;m offering any ccmp listers a 15% discount on the
asking
> price (fixed) So deduct 15% (round up) on the
"make offer" and it's
yours.
Tom - that auction number does not come up. Did the listing go live yet?
This looks like the correct item number:
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=251338720139
2:37 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
This looks like the correct item number:
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=251338720139
Ah ok, thanks. I tried to search by name but the "Electronika" ("c"
not "k") through me off.
-j
3:39 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
I just [finally] found the article on the JDR POST (Power On Self Test)
card. The article is August 1993 "Electronics Now".
It has the circuit board layout, source code for the two GALs, etc.
Apparently, JDR realized that they could sell a LOT more of their POST
cards by making them available as a kit (at all levels), and then peddling
the parts, such as premade circuit board, and preprogrammed GALs.
Does anybody still use GALs? (Generic Array Logic)
I have two xerox copies of the article sitting in front of me.
Who wants one?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
4:03 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
On 09/14/2013 03:39 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
I just [finally] found the article on the JDR POST
(Power On Self Test)
card. The article is August 1993 "Electronics Now".
It has the circuit board layout, source code for the two GALs, etc.
Apparently, JDR realized that they could sell a LOT more of their POST
cards by making them available as a kit (at all levels), and then peddling
the parts, such as premade circuit board, and preprogrammed GALs.
Does anybody still use GALs? (Generic Array Logic)
I have two xerox copies of the article sitting in front of me.
Who wants one?
The last time I got one of those $3 POST cards (handles both ISA and
PCI) a couple of years ago from China, there were some 32-pin PLCC
PALCEs on them.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were a knockoff of the EN article
that you cited.
GALs are useful if you're looking to upgrade or service some old
equipment that uses PALs or HALs. I keep a few tubes of them around.
I remember when GALs first came out--I thought that the idea was
incredibly clover.
--Chuck
5:20 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
On Sep 14, 2013, at 19:03, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
- Dave
On 09/14/2013 03:39 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> Does anybody still use GALs? (Generic
Array Logic)
I do. They're pretty handy, and a lot easier to reuse than PALs.
The last time I got one of those $3 POST cards
(handles both ISA and PCI) a couple of years ago from China, there were some 32-pin PLCC
PALCEs on them.
They work OK on PCI, but they're really not ideal for the reflected
wave bus. They don't have to be perfect to work most of the time.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were a
knockoff of the EN article that you cited.
Probably similar; it's really simple to decode ISA I/O space accesses,
and only a little more involved to decode the PCI ones. I
wouldn't try to do anything more interesting on PCI with just a few
GALs (or even most CPLDs).
GALs are useful if you're looking to upgrade or
service some old equipment that uses PALs or HALs. I keep a few tubes of them around.
They're also relatively easy to find and not horribly expensive, especially
since Lattice didn't EOL them until fairly recently.
I remember when GALs first came out--I thought that
the idea was incredibly clover.
So did a lot of logic companies; most CPLDs are just a pile of GALs lashed
together with a very rudimentary routing network (the main exception being
Altera's MAX II family and followons, which are actually tiny FPGAs with
the config flash built in).
5:56 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
On 15/09/2013 8:09 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Does anybody still use GALs? (Generic Array Logic)
I'm wokring on a project using GALs at the moment. To get Windows to
access the parallel port directly for the programmer I use UserPort [1],
and use GALblast [2] to program the devices.
I use WinCUPL [3] from Atmel to program them, but it's a horrible
abomination masquerading as a developer tool. It's written in
VisualBasic and frequently crashes.
While I'm here, does anyone know of a half decent CUPL compiler or
anything else that'll compile to JEDEC files? I'm thinking about
learning VHDL or Verilog.
I source my GALs from eBay (i.e. China). They're pulls from old boards
and have about a 40% DOA rate, but my projects aren't mission critical
so I don't really care. Given they aren't being manufactured any more I
doubt there are other suppliers out there who sell them as cheaply.
Cheers,
Alexis K.
[1] http://hem.passagen.se/tomasf/UserPort/
[2] http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/Pgmrs/GAL/_ClikMe1st.htm
[3] http://www.atmel.com/tools/WINCUPL.aspx
6:10 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
On Sep 14, 2013 5:58 PM, "Alexis Kotlowy" <thrashbarg at
kaput.homeunix.org wrote:
I have used Lattice isp LEVER Classic to generate JEDEC files for
programming standard 22V10 parts. You have to register for a license which
is free.
http://www.latticesemi.com/en/Products/DesignSoftwareAndIP/FPGAandLDS/ispLE…
While I'm here, does anyone know of a half decent CUPL compiler or
anything
else that'll compile to JEDEC files? I'm thinking about learning
VHDL or Verilog.
10:43 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
On 09/14/2013 06:10 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
While I'm here, does anyone know of a half decent
CUPL compiler or
anything else that'll compile to JEDEC files? I'm thinking about learning
VHDL or Verilog.
There's always veneered and generated PALASM. It's still lurking
around, but if you can't find a copy, drop me a line.
For simple combinatorial logic, there's nothing that I can think of with
an easier learning curve.
--Chuck
15 Sep
15 Sep
3:59 a.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
On Sep 15, 2013, at 1:43, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 09/14/2013 06:10 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
I actually prefer PALASM, language-wise. I think Lattice's ISPLever
will compile PALASM for GALs just fine.
- Dave
While I'm here, does anyone know of a half
decent CUPL compiler or
anything else that'll compile to JEDEC files? I'm thinking about learning
VHDL or Verilog.
There's always veneered and generated PALASM. It's still lurking around, but if
you can't find a copy, drop me a line.
For simple combinatorial logic, there's nothing that I can think of with an easier
learning curve. 
14 Sep
14 Sep
8:37 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
Mind scanning and putting it online? :o)
---
Enviado do meu Motorola PT550
Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:39 PM
Subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
I just [finally] found the article on the JDR POST
(Power On Self Test)
card. The article is August 1993 "Electronics Now".
It has the circuit board layout, source code for the two GALs, etc.
Apparently, JDR realized that they could sell a LOT more of their POST
cards by making them available as a kit (at all levels), and then peddling
the parts, such as premade circuit board, and preprogrammed GALs.
Does anybody still use GALs? (Generic Array Logic)
I have two xerox copies of the article sitting in front of me.
Who wants one?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
8:57 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
> I have two xerox copies of the article sitting in
front of me.
> Who wants one?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2013, Alexandre Souza wrote:
Mind scanning and putting it online? :o)
I don't even have access to a scanner right now. I'm staying at my
mother's, taking care of her. There isn't even a printer here.
But, I'd be glad to mail these two copies out to whomever would scan them
and put them online. The source code listing was originally printed on a
colored background, so it may need to be manually typed in.
Want one of them? Let me know your address.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
9:09 p.m.
New subject: P.O.S.T. GALs
Mind scanning
and putting it online? :o)
I don't even have access to a scanner right now.
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