26 Jul
2004
26 Jul
'04
5:47 a.m.
Joe,
The link to e-bay for the Cirris Signature 1000 is no longer valid. Do you
still have it?
Jim Ceavers
Unipower Corp.
954-905-1062
27 Jul
27 Jul
12:56 p.m.
Jim,
Yes I still have it. The winnng bidder welshed out and never paid for
it. BTW note my address above. The address that you sent the message to is
for a mailing list.
Joe
At 01:47 PM 7/26/04 -0400, you wrote:
Joe,
The link to e-bay for the Cirris Signature 1000 is no longer valid. Do you
still have it?
Jim Ceavers
Unipower Corp.
954-905-1062
28 Jul
28 Jul
7:36 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
Jim,
Yes I still have it. The winnng bidder welshed out and never paid for
it.
Joe
I'm not particularly sensitive in these matters , but I do object to your
use of the term "welsh" , meaning to renege on a bet I am told.
This is old English propaganda , and I'm told that Bill Clinton had to
apologise for it's use in America.
Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the use of the
verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a foreign country on
false premises or purely for the advancement of American capital interests .
Geoff.
31 Jul
31 Jul
8:35 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in
initiating the use of the
verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a foreign country on
false premises or purely for the advancement of American capital interests .
I'm not sure how anyone can be offended by something that rings true.
Well, excepting hypocrites of course.
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1 Aug
1 Aug
9:02 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
> Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the
> use of the verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a
> foreign country on false premises or purely for the advancement of
> American capital interests .
Is that term applicable when the French do it?
paul
9:06 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Paul Koning wrote:
What, "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys" isn't enough?
:)
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
> Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the
> use of the verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a
> foreign country on false premises or purely for the advancement of
> American capital interests .
Is that term applicable when the French do it?
9:10 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning(a)equallogic.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
Of course ,
But our comrade Joe is using a purely perjorative term from the English
colonial past.
That is what I object to , given the English colonial past.
e.g. Drug Runners - see under Chinese Opium Wars.
Geoff.
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
> Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the
> use of the verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a
> foreign country on false premises or purely for the advancement of
> American capital interests .
Is that term applicable when the French do it?
paul
11:12 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning(a)equallogic.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
Of course ,
But our comrade Joe is using a purely perjorative term from the English
colonial past.
That is what I object to , given the English colonial past.
e.g. Drug Runners - see under Chinese Opium Wars.
Geoff.
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
> Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the
> use of the verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a
> foreign country on false premises or purely for the advancement of
> American capital interests .
Is that term applicable when the French do it?
paul
From www.wordorigins.org:
"Welch"
Welch is an archaic form of Welsh, one that pretty much survives
only in the sense meaning someone who does not fulfill a bet.
This usage dates to around 1857. The origin is obscure, but it
undoubtedly originated as an ethnic slur. The term may derive
from an old nursery rhyme that included the words
"Taffy was a
Welshman, Taffy was a thief."
- don
2 Aug
2 Aug
11:01 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
At 10:10 PM 8/1/04 +0100, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning(a)equallogic.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
Of course ,
But our comrade Joe is using a purely perjorative term from the English
colonial past.
I might be classified as a lot of things but Comrade is definitely not
one of them! Where the hell did that come from anyway? What have you been
smoking lately?
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
> Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the
> use of the verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a
> foreign country on false premises or purely for the advancement of
> American capital interests .
Is that term applicable when the French do it?
paul
That is what I object to , given the English colonial
past.
e.g. Drug Runners - see under Chinese Opium Wars.
Considering the English colonial past, the English don't have the right
to complain about anything! Not only see Opium wars, see black slavery
(who do you think shipped the slaves to America and the Caribeaan in
exchange for sugar and rum?), Irish potato famine, Endentured Servitude
(another word for slavery), debitor's prison, scalp bounties (both in North
American and for Australian Aborigines), press gangs (ship's crews). Then
go see American Revolution!
Now do you REALLY want to get into a debate about English colonial past????
My 2 cents worth,
Joe
Geoff.
11:47 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "Geoffrey Thomas" <geoffreythomas(a)onetel.com>om>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
Considering the English colonial past, the English don't have the right
to complain about anything! Not only see Opium wars, see black slavery
(who do you think shipped the slaves to America and the Caribeaan in
exchange for sugar and rum?), Irish potato famine, Endentured Servitude
(another word for slavery), debitor's prison, scalp bounties (both in
North
American and for Australian Aborigines), press gangs
(ship's crews). Then
go see American Revolution!
Now do you REALLY want to get into a debate about English colonial
past????
My 2 cents worth,
Joe
I think the British did outlaw outright slavery before we did in the US (not
sure what their reason would be). I do find it comical when blacks ask for
reparations for slavery, since it was black people in Africa enslaving other
blacks in the first place, the brits just provided shipping to get them here
to the US.
Personally I don't think people alive today have any reason to bitch about
what happened to any of their people or relatives that were not alive when
they were born. Ancient history is just that, history. look at what has
happened in the Balkans over the last 100 years, people avenging things that
happened centuries before they or anybody they ever met was born. What would
you tell an American Indian that comes to your door saying he legally owns
the land your house was built on because his tribe was not paid for it 150
years ago? If the Vietnamese can forgive us for what we did in their country
30+ years ago the rest of the world can forgive what happened 1000 years
ago.
1:31 p.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Teo Zenios wrote:
I think the British did outlaw outright slavery before
we did in the US (not
sure what their reason would be). I do find it comical when blacks ask for
reparations for slavery, since it was black people in Africa enslaving other
blacks in the first place, the brits just provided shipping to get them here
to the US.
Ugh. There is this little thing called "demand" that, in most systems of
trade, works in unison with the concept of "supply".
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3 Aug
3 Aug
12:42 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
At 06:31 PM 8/2/04 -0700, you wrote:
Just like the modern drug trade!
Joe
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Teo Zenios wrote:
> I think the British did outlaw outright slavery before we did in the US
(not
> sure what their reason would be). I do find it
comical when blacks ask for
> reparations for slavery, since it was black people in Africa enslaving
other
> blacks in the first place, the brits just provided
shipping to get them
here
to the US.
Ugh. There is this little thing called "demand" that, in most systems of
trade, works in unison with the concept of "supply".
12:44 a.m.
New subject: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
At 07:47 PM 8/2/04 -0400, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "Geoffrey Thomas" <geoffreythomas(a)onetel.com>om>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: OT stupid Welsh and Americans (was Re: Cirris 1000)
Correct. About 1840 IIRC. I think the French outlawed it about the same
time.
I do find it comical when blacks ask for
Considering the English colonial past, the English don't have the right
to complain about anything! Not only see Opium wars, see black slavery
(who do you think shipped the slaves to America and the Caribeaan in
exchange for sugar and rum?), Irish potato famine, Endentured Servitude
(another word for slavery), debitor's prison, scalp bounties (both in
North
American and for Australian Aborigines), press
gangs (ship's crews). Then
go see American Revolution!
Now do you REALLY want to get into a debate about English colonial
past????
My 2 cents worth,
Joe
I think the British did outlaw outright slavery before we did in the US (not
sure what their reason would be). reparations for slavery, since it was black people in
Africa enslaving other
blacks in the first place, the brits just provided shipping to get them here
to the US.
When and IF they ever find a black in america that WAS a slave then he or
she might be entitled to reparations but their descendents have no grounds
for asking for reparations. In fact, perhaps we should bill them for the
war that was fought to free them from slavery (if you believe the popular
history). In addition many of the people that are asking for them have
migrated to the US SINCE the end of the civil war but they think that just
because they're black they're entitled to a free handout.
FWIW slavery is still alive and well in Africa today.
Personally I don't think people alive today have any reason to bitch about
what happened to any of their people or relatives that were not alive when
they were born.
AGREED! I expect everyone on earth has a gripe about something in
their part. The Irish do, The American Indians and Australian Aborigines
certainly do and those are only a couple of the more recent events.
Joe
Ancient history is just that, history. look at what has
happened in the Balkans over the last 100 years, people
avenging things that
happened centuries before they or anybody they ever met was born. What would
you tell an American Indian that comes to your door saying he legally owns
the land your house was built on because his tribe was not paid for it 150
years ago? If the Vietnamese can forgive us for what we did in their country
30+ years ago the rest of the world can forgive what happened 1000 years
ago.
31 Jul
31 Jul
2:09 p.m.
On Jul 28, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
Smile when you say that pardner.
Let's keep the politics out of this, it will only serve to make people
mad.
Jim,
Yes I still have it. The winnng bidder welshed out and never paid
for
it.
Joe
I'm not particularly sensitive in these matters , but I do object to
your
use of the term "welsh" , meaning to renege on a bet I am told.
This is old English propaganda , and I'm told that Bill Clinton had to
apologise for it's use in America.
Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the use
of the
verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a foreign country
on
false premises or purely for the advancement of American capital
interests .
Geoff.
2:46 p.m.
At 08:36 PM 7/28/04 +0100, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
That's fair, America has had to apologize for Bill Clinton many times.
Jim,
Yes I still have it. The winnng bidder welshed out and never paid for
it.
Joe
I'm not particularly sensitive in these matters , but I do object to your
use of the term "welsh" , meaning to renege on a bet I am told.
This is old English propaganda , and I'm told that Bill Clinton had to
apologise for it's use in America. Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in
initiating the use of the
verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or destabilise a foreign country on
false premises or purely for the advancement of American capital interests .
Welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh!
Joe
Geoff.
1 Aug
1 Aug
7:32 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "Geoffrey Thomas" <geoffreythomas(a)onetel.com>om>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
the
At 08:36 PM 7/28/04 +0100, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
>
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Yes I still have it. The winnng bidder welshed out and never paid
for
it.
That's fair, America has had to apologize for Bill Clinton many times.
>Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the use of Joe
I'm not particularly sensitive in these matters , but I do object to your
use of the term "welsh" , meaning to renege on a bet I am told.
This is old English propaganda , and I'm told that Bill Clinton had to
apologise for it's use in America. >verb to " American " - i.e. to invade or
destabilise a foreign country on
>false premises or purely for the advancement of American capital
interests .
Welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh!
Joe
I can see you're a good ol' boy Joe , what say you an' me go out in
tha
truck tonight and hunt down those goddam ( no goddam , not sellam )
blacks and commies and shoot 'em up ? Waddya say ?
Then we'll take care of all the pesky liberals holding back that great
country of yours - sure sounds like fun ta me!
Weee-el , waddya say ?
Geoff.
8:47 a.m.
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
I can see you're a good ol' boy Joe , what say
you an' me go out in tha
truck tonight and hunt down those goddam ( no goddam , not sellam )
blacks and commies and shoot 'em up ? Waddya say ?
Then we'll take care of all the pesky liberals holding back that great
country of yours - sure sounds like fun ta me!
Weee-el , waddya say ?
Wow, this is kinda getting out of hand now.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Sunday, August
01, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
Geoff.
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
Err , not if you're Welsh it's not .
I can see you're a good ol' boy Joe ,
what say you an' me go out in tha
truck tonight and hunt down those goddam ( no goddam , not sellam )
blacks and commies and shoot 'em up ? Waddya say ?
Then we'll take care of all the pesky liberals holding back that great
country of yours - sure sounds like fun ta me!
Weee-el , waddya say ?
Wow, this is kinda getting out of hand now.
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2 Aug
10:47 a.m.
At 08:32 PM 8/1/04 +0100, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "Geoffrey Thomas" <geoffreythomas(a)onetel.com>om>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
the
No thanks. But you go right ahead, I wouldn't want to stop you from
enjoying yourself.
Joe
At 08:36 PM 7/28/04 +0100, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Cirris 1000
>
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Yes I still have it. The winnng bidder welshed out and never paid
for
it.
That's fair, America has had to apologize for Bill Clinton many times.
>Should you persist , I shall have no hesitation in initiating the use of Joe
I'm not particularly sensitive in these matters , but I do object to your
use of the term "welsh" , meaning to renege on a bet I am told.
This is old English propaganda , and I'm told that Bill Clinton had to
apologise for it's use in America. >verb to " American " - i.e. to
invade or destabilise a foreign country on
>false premises or purely for the advancement of American capital
interests .
Welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh, welsh!
Joe
I can see you're a good ol' boy Joe , what say you an' me go out in
tha
truck tonight and hunt down those goddam ( no goddam , not sellam )
blacks and commies and shoot 'em up ? Waddya say ?
Then we'll take care of all the pesky liberals holding back that great
country of yours - sure sounds like fun ta me!
Weee-el , waddya say ?
Geoff.
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