2 Apr
2004
2 Apr
'04
11:54 a.m.
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books? Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
I have several Apple printers including the Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I don't have is the
orginal Apple II and the "Black" Apple II+, and I would still like to
keep one each of the II line. The only Macs I am keeping are the
original 128K Macs, and maybe one of the 512K machines.
2 Apr
2 Apr
12:02 p.m.
There were so many Apple II's made I don't think they'd be considered
classic, but more of a special interest, kinda like Commie 64's.
I know the Bell & Howell black Apple IIs get a premiuim price, for nothing
else than the color. I picked up a IIc+ not knowing it was the fastest
Apple II built, and that to me makes it sorta collectable. Now if I could
find the LCD display for it, I'd really have something.
Don't know much about the early Mac's but I do see lots of them for very
low prices on the used market, such as Goodwill, etc. Here again I'd say
it would be a special interest item more than anything rare.
Almost forgot, the early Lisas are commanding pretty good prices on e-pay,
but that is an exception. The later Lisas were upgraded to Mac O/S, and
they aren't as valuable.
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books? Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
I have several Apple printers including the Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I don't have is the
orginal Apple II and the "Black" Apple II+, and I would still like to
keep one each of the II line. The only Macs I am keeping are the
original 128K Macs, and maybe one of the 512K machines.
3 Apr
3 Apr
12:27 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
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Sent: 03 April 2004 00:02
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Apple Computer Collecting
price, for nothing else than the color. I picked up a IIc+
not knowing it was the fastest Apple II built, and that to me
makes it sorta collectable. Now if I could find the LCD
display for it, I'd really have something.
The IIc+ had an LCD display? I've got a IIc+ but nothing to run on it since
it has the 3 1/2" drive instead of the 5 1/4"......any pix or info on the
LCD?
Almost forgot, the early Lisas are commanding pretty
good
prices on e-pay, but that is an exception. The later Lisas
were upgraded to Mac O/S, and they aren't as valuable.
This is the point I chip in with a gnashing-of-teeth-style tale of woe.
Yesterday I picked up a nice condition ][GS with screen/floppies etc from an
ex-apple dealer, and he told me that he'd thrown out/skipped/smashed/burned
Mac 128s, Mac 512s, Lisa parts, *hundreds* of Lisa manuals including LisaOS
on twiggys, boxes of twiggy disks etc....
5 months ago.
Still, he gave me a Lisa lapel badge so that's ok :-/
Now excuse me while I go off to weep into me beer.....
--
Adrian/Witchy
Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum
www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(
4 Apr
4 Apr
1:07 p.m.
The Apple IIc LCD panel was a cool idea in concept but poorly executed. If
you track one down make sure the display is acceptably bright. I'm
currently selling mine on eBay as the display is too dim to do any real work
with.
Nick
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price, for nothing else than the color. I picked up a IIc+
not knowing it was the fastest Apple II built, and that to me
makes it sorta collectable. Now if I could find the LCD
display for it, I'd really have something.
The IIc+ had an LCD display? I've got a IIc+ but nothing to run on it it has the 3 1/2" drive instead of the 5
1/4"......any pix or info on the
LCD?
an
Almost forgot, the early Lisas are commanding
pretty good
prices on e-pay, but that is an exception. The later Lisas
were upgraded to Mac O/S, and they aren't as valuable.
This is the point I chip in with a gnashing-of-teeth-style tale of woe.
Yesterday I picked up a nice condition ][GS with screen/floppies etc from ex-apple dealer, and he told me that he'd thrown
out/skipped/smashed/burned
Mac 128s, Mac 512s, Lisa parts, *hundreds* of Lisa
manuals including
LisaOS
on twiggys, boxes of twiggy disks etc....
5 months ago.
Still, he gave me a Lisa lapel badge so that's ok :-/
Now excuse me while I go off to weep into me beer.....
--
Adrian/Witchy
Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer
museum
www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic
shenanigans :o(
2 Apr
2 Apr
12:45 p.m.
Keep good copies of ProDos for your II series machines plus look for maybe
the Apple III, and Apple IIgs Woz.. And for the 128's find MacWrite and
MacPaint that came with it. Some other Mac's that I like are the Color
Classic & Color Classic II, TAM-20th Anniversary Mac, and the Cube. I have
found over 105 different Mac's and most are the same except for small
improvement in speed. There are other Apple products like the eMate, Newton,
Apple CD, Apple TV boxtop, and others.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Johnston" <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: "ClassicCmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Apple Computer Collecting
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books? Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
I have several Apple printers including the Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I don't have is the
orginal Apple II and the "Black" Apple II+, and I would still like to
keep one each of the II line. The only Macs I am keeping are the
original 128K Macs, and maybe one of the 512K machines.
4:26 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Johnston" <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: "ClassicCmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: Apple Computer Collecting
I have several Apple printers including the
Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I
Strangely enough, I have a client now who wants me to take some of his old
writings which are on a IIc disk and print them out. There may be lots of
old printers but I can't seem to find any that still work. Plus, I'm having
a heck of a time finding a simple cable to connect any Apple to a printer.
(Mac mice are in scarce supply too.) I'll probably try something with an
emulator and save the stuff on the disk in text, if I can get something to
read it but the point is that peripherals are in short supply. A dozen mice
and some cords don't take up a lot of room and they WILL be worth something
someday.
Second strange thing, the only computers of interest that I can find these
days are Macs. Picked up a Centris 650 700mb/32meg ram for 6 bucks the other
day plus a beautiful 17 inch multiscan monitor for 10. Others are of lessor
importance but I finally got a b/w Classic! These are the only things I'm
seeing around Toronto these days.
I would say peripherals, original software and manuals, memory chips, boards
would be good to collect. You will always be able to match these items up
with main units later on.
bm.
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4:45 p.m.
My vote goes for anything in the Apple Lisa line...especially if it's
running LisaOS 7/7. For it's day it was ahead of it's time and it can
trace it's lineage directly to the Xerox Alto. Trip Hawkins (Lisa
Product Manager at the time) said the Mac is a cost reduced version of
Lisa with some of the really advanced stuff cut out (e.g. real
multitasking, VM etc.). Don't forget the Lisa team vs. Mac/Jobs team
development wars...some of these items are archived at folklore.org.
But I'm kind of biased...I'm a huge Lisa fan.
-Chandra
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From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Johnston
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:55 PM
To: ClassicCmp
Subject: Apple Computer Collecting
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books? Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
I have several Apple printers including the Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I don't have is the
orginal Apple II and the "Black" Apple II+, and I would still like to
keep one each of the II line. The only Macs I am keeping are the
original 128K Macs, and maybe one of the 512K machines.
4:56 p.m.
Marvin:
I have an Apple ][+, a //c, a //gs, a "Fat Mac", an SE/30, a IIci and a
PowerMac (from my mother). I feel that this combination gives me the
broadest cross-platform bridging so I can transfer software back and forth
"across eras" if I need to. The IIci is also connected to my home
network...I have "Services for Macintosh" running on my NT Server so I have
the benefit to large archival space (and of course Internet connectivity on
the IIci). I have Internet Explorer 2.8 running on the ci.
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
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-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chandra Bajpai
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:46 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Apple Computer Collecting
My vote goes for anything in the Apple Lisa line...especially if it's
running LisaOS 7/7. For it's day it was ahead of it's time and it can
trace it's lineage directly to the Xerox Alto. Trip Hawkins (Lisa
Product Manager at the time) said the Mac is a cost reduced version of
Lisa with some of the really advanced stuff cut out (e.g. real
multitasking, VM etc.). Don't forget the Lisa team vs. Mac/Jobs team
development wars...some of these items are archived at folklore.org.
But I'm kind of biased...I'm a huge Lisa fan.
-Chandra
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Johnston
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:55 PM
To: ClassicCmp
Subject: Apple Computer Collecting
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books? Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
I have several Apple printers including the Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I don't have is the
orginal Apple II and the "Black" Apple II+, and I would still like to
keep one each of the II line. The only Macs I am keeping are the
original 128K Macs, and maybe one of the 512K machines.
5:40 p.m.
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From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)optonline.net>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: Apple Computer Collecting
Marvin:
I have an Apple ][+, a //c, a //gs, a "Fat Mac", an SE/30, a IIci and a
PowerMac (from my mother). I feel that this combination gives me the
broadest cross-platform bridging so I can transfer software back and forth
"across eras" if I need to. The IIci is also connected to my home
network...I have "Services for Macintosh" running on my NT Server so I
have
the benefit to large archival space (and of course
Internet connectivity
on
the IIci). I have Internet Explorer 2.8 running on the
ci.
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
/************************************************************/
My apple collection consists on a IIgs ROM 1 with Apple scsi card, IIfx,
840AV, Quadra 950 with AWS card, and a couple powermacs (7500,8500) with all
kinds of add-ons and upgrades.
The only other high value Apple product other then the Apple I would
probably be the original Lisa with twiggy drive. The original Ultima and the
first non ultima title (Alkebath or something like that) command a few
hundred dollars a pop in good condition for the Apple II. High speed SCSI
cards for the apple II series generally go for $75 or more on ebay all the
time, with processor accelerators going for much more. Basically most of the
stuff for the Apple II that wasn't in a stock configuration is worth
keeping, but wont be worth a mint either.
3 Apr
3 Apr
5 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)optonline.net>
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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: Apple Computer Collecting
"across eras" if I need to. The IIci is also
connected to my home
network...
How did you get the Mac on the network? Is it through your server
somehow,
as in 'services for macintosh'? Several of mine have some sort of
connectivity, ie they have netscape or some browser, and I have two NICs.
I'd love to get at least one on the internet through my lan. The last one I
got has os8 so I figure it is probably the most suitable. Any tips or can
you point to a site that will explain it in the layman's terms I need.
Thanks!
bm
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5:40 a.m.
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:00:00 -0500
"Brian Mahoney" <brianmahoney(a)look.ca> wrote:
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To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: Apple Computer Collecting
I have had my Macintosh on the network using basic TCP/IP services and functions
like FTP. In any post 7.0 MacOS it's trivial to get on a home network with TCP/IP. I
also have a whole box of SCSI to Ethernet adapters that makes it easy to network Macs that
don't have built-in ethernet, i.e. to network my Powerbook 165c. My SE/30 has a built
in ethernet card in it's 'slot' (why people plug a video card in there is
unclear to me, when there are tons of other Macs available these days with much better
video for nearly free) I've never bothered to make any other element of the network
talk in a native Apple protocol (i.e. Appletalk) but if you can get a Mac to 'browse
the web' you can get it to talk to your home Unix/Linux/BSD boxes.
For archiving, I bought a SCSI CD Writer and hook that up to Macs. I keep it in an
external case so it can plug into about any Mac. When I pick up a new (used) Mac one of
the first things I do is image it's hard drive to a CDR. There are very good tools in
the Mac sphere to image floppy diskettes and those image files get burned on CD, too.
Scott
"across eras" if I need to. The IIci is
also connected to my home
network...
How did you get the Mac on the network? Is it through your server
somehow,
as in 'services for macintosh'? Several of mine have some sort of
connectivity, ie they have netscape or some browser, and I have two NICs.
I'd love to get at least one on the internet through my lan. The last one I
got has os8 so I figure it is probably the most suitable. Any tips or can
you point to a site that will explain it in the layman's terms I need.
Thanks!
bm
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6:39 a.m.
On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Richard A. Cini wrote:
Marvin:
I have an Apple ][+, a //c, a //gs, a "Fat Mac", an SE/30, a IIci and a
PowerMac (from my mother). I feel that this combination gives me the
broadest cross-platform bridging so I can transfer software back and forth
You really only need an Apple //gs then. The ][+ and //c don't add much
to the mix as far as data transfer is concerned.
But of course, having the //c and ][+ around is nice :)
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7:08 a.m.
New subject: Free Old ELECTRONICs magazines
~60# of 1966..1968 "ELECTRONICS" magazines
Also National Semi 1974 MOS data book
a few 1950s vintage "Radio and Televison" magazines
I got them at the flea market, had my fun reading through them and offer them
to some one willing to take them away. Nice adds for PDP8s, core memory etc
etc.
Too heavy to ship
located in SFBA
Peter Wallace
12:43 p.m.
--- Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote:
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth
keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books?
Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
There were a few hundred apple II's sold as a kit, so
they are as rare as the Apple I. Apple III dealer
demo units are rare too, there were alot of them, but
most were returned to Apple.
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5 Apr
5 Apr
7:02 a.m.
Marvin Johnston wrote:
What in the Apple line of computers, etc. is worth
keeping, i.e.
hardware, software, documentation, and books? Besides the Apple I, are
there any other "holy grail" type of items?
I have several Apple printers including the Imagewriter and Imagewriter
II. Are these as common as dirt so I don't have to feel bad about
getting rid of them, or are they worth putting up on the Vintage
Computer Marketplace? I *think* the only Apple IIx I don't have is the
orginal Apple II and the "Black" Apple II+, and I would still like to
keep one each of the II line. The only Macs I am keeping are the
original 128K Macs, and maybe one of the 512K machines.
.
De-lurking for a moment. If you decide to collect from the II line (as
opposed to Macs), you'll probably find that often, the peripherals are
worth more than the actual units. Accelerators (Transwarp, ZipGS, etc),
hard drives, and SCSI cards are relatively high-demand items. Other
stuff to keep an eye out for:
The IIgs-in-a-IIe-case upgrade model
The Black B&H II+
Video overlay boards for the IIgs.
Original Apple II models (they've been pulling in $400+ on ePay)
The 1978 Apple II Reference Manual (the "Red Book")
And of course, "complete" kits (original manuals, packaging, etc) add
value to the collection.
--
Mike
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