18 Jul
2008
18 Jul
'08
8:25 p.m.
Hi all,
This weekend is the seventh "Hackers On Planet Earth" conference, once again
at the Hotel Pennsylvania, in New York City. Tomorrow my user group, MARCH,
will have a hacker-themed vintage computer exhibit there from about 10am -
late. Come visit us!
- Evan
18 Jul
18 Jul
9:39 p.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
This weekend is the seventh "Hackers On Planet
Earth" conference, once again
It is not merely the 7th, but the last. So if you ever wanted to go,
this is the one.
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9:45 p.m.
On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Well, not necessarily the "last." 2600 management is well-known for
saying things like this (the first HOPE was supposed to be the ONLY
HOPE) to try to boost attendance.
It will certainly be the last at the Hotel Pennsylvania, a place that
has some meaning to telephony history.
This weekend is the seventh "Hackers On
Planet Earth" conference,
once again
It is not merely the 7th, but the last. So if you ever wanted to
go, this is the one. 
21 Jul
21 Jul
10:07 a.m.
Yea for anyone that stayed till the end, this was not "The Last" Hope
The "next" hope called "The Next Hope" will be in 2010
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, C. Sullivan <feedle at feedle.net> wrote:
From: C. Sullivan <feedle at feedle.net>
Subject: Re: HOPE Conference this weekend
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 9:45 PM
On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
ever wanted to
Evan Koblentz wrote:
> This weekend is the seventh "Hackers On
Planet Earth" conference,
once
again
It is not merely the 7th, but the last. So if you go, this is the one.
Well, not necessarily the "last." 2600
management is well-known for
saying things like this (the first HOPE was supposed to be
the ONLY
HOPE) to try to boost attendance.
It will certainly be the last at the Hotel Pennsylvania, a
place that
has some meaning to telephony history. 
18 Jul
18 Jul
10:02 p.m.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Leonard wrote:
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Why is it the last one?
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
This weekend is the seventh "Hackers On
Planet Earth" conference, once
again
It is not merely the 7th, but the last. So if you ever wanted to go, this is
the one.
19 Jul
19 Jul
10:09 a.m.
On Jul 18, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:
Why is it the last one?
Ostensibly, this is the last one because the Hotel Pennsylvania is
being converted into a residential property, and the lack of suitable
venues in New York City makes relocation difficult.
If only there was a similar convention in another city with lots of
convention space... oh, wait.
20 Jul
20 Jul
3:39 p.m.
C. Sullivan wrote:
On Jul 18, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:
You're talking about the Javits Center, I presume? Too expensive.
Anyway, Vornado Realty Trust has apparently scrapped the conversion
plans due to the mortgage bust.
Peace... Sridhar
Why is it the last one?
Ostensibly, this is the last one because the Hotel Pennsylvania is being
converted into a residential property, and the lack of suitable venues
in New York City makes relocation difficult.
If only there was a similar convention in another city with lots of
convention space... oh, wait.
4:06 p.m.
On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
C. Sullivan wrote:
Actually, that was more a thinly veiled jab at the supposed
"competition" between 2600 and a similar convention (DefCon) that
takes place in another city (Las Vegas) with lots of convention space
(and keeps building more).
On Jul 18, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:
You're talking about the Javits Center, I presume? Too expensive. Why is it the last one?
Ostensibly, this
is the last one because the Hotel Pennsylvania is
being converted into a residential property, and the lack of
suitable venues in New York City makes relocation difficult.
If only there was a similar convention in another city with lots of
convention space... oh, wait.
9:35 p.m.
C. Sullivan wrote:
You're talking about the Javits Center, I presume? Too expensive.
Actually, that was more a thinly veiled jab at the supposed
"competition" between 2600 and a similar convention (DefCon) that takes
place in another city (Las Vegas) with lots of convention space (and
keeps building more).
The problem is that 2600 is cheap. New York has a comparable amount of
convention space and significantly more hotel space than Las Vegas.
It's just that a lot of it is expensive, and a good bit of it is not
hacker-convention-friendly. Las Vegas is somewhat more tolerant of what
conservative people call "fringe" groups.
Peace... Sridhar
Why is it the
last one?
Ostensibly, this is the last one because the Hotel Pennsylvania is
being converted into a residential property, and the lack of suitable
venues in New York City makes relocation difficult.
If only there was a similar convention in another city with lots of
convention space... oh, wait.
21 Jul
21 Jul
2:42 a.m.
On Jul 20, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
The problem is that 2600 is cheap. New York has a
comparable amount
of convention space and significantly more hotel space than Las
Vegas. It's just that a lot of it is expensive, and a good bit of it
is not hacker-convention-friendly. Las Vegas is somewhat more
tolerant of what conservative people call "fringe" groups.
You think the average Vegas casino likes the idea of opening their
doors to a bunch of hackers?
DefCon has, many times, almost "not happened next year" because of
Vegas hotel nervousness. Only now that DefCon has developed a
reputation of running up a bar tab (the Alexis Park outright told them
one year we outdrank the Air Force) will many casinos even take their
calls. It is still been an uphill challenge for DefCon to find hotel
space.
Las Vegas might, as a city be more tolerant.. but nothing makes
casinos nervous than the thought of a thousand sweaty hackers running
loose on their slot machine networks. Remember: it was classic
"hackers" that came up with the whole card-counting schemes that
cleaned up the blackjack tables all those years ago.
And Vegas supposedly has the most hotel rooms of any metropolitan area
in the world, and the most convention space in the United States. One
corner, Tropicana Ave. and Las Vegas Blvd., has over 20,000 rooms.
Even "smaller" properties in Vegas typically have 500 rooms. In 2008
alone, Vegas is adding almost 10,000 rooms: and 2008 is a "slow
year". 18 of the world's 25 largest hotels? In Las Vegas. There
isn't even a New York hotel on that list.
As somebody who's lived and worked in Sin City, Vegas is insane. New
York might be a big city, but imagine if 5th Avenue was all 2,500+
room hotels, and you might have an idea what Las Vegas Blvd. South is
like.
5:41 a.m.
C. Sullivan wrote:
As somebody who's lived and worked in Sin City,
Vegas is insane. New
York might be a big city, but imagine if 5th Avenue was all 2,500+ room
hotels, and you might have an idea what Las Vegas Blvd. South is like.
We're not just talking about Manhattan here, although the hotel capacity
of Manhattan is nothing to sneeze at. The New York metro area is *big*.
Actually the best place to read up on that sort of thing is New York's
documents for the failed Olympic bid.
I've spent a *lot* of time in LV. Enough time to know that the end of
the metro area isn't very far from the center, and it ends rather
abruptly. New York's doesn't end so abruptly, but there's no special
reason for that, it's just that it's a couple hundred years older.
Peace... Sridhar
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