23 Dec
2001
23 Dec
'01
5:12 p.m.
On December 23, Ernest wrote:
Well, there were suddenly 37 active connections all
trying to get it. Ouch.
No wonder it bombed on you. Keep trying if you get a server busy error. The
activity should slow down.
Comments on the site, anyone?
Cool stuff!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
23 Dec
23 Dec
5:39 p.m.
Ernest,
I like the site. Where are you located that you acquired
the items from Europe.
The Televideo 950 Terminal looks alot like the
DEC vt100 I once had and used with a 300 baud
(or was it 1200 baud) external modem.
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 02:12:11AM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
On December 23, Ernest wrote:
Well, there were suddenly 37 active connections
all trying to get it. Ouch.
No wonder it bombed on you. Keep trying if you get a server busy error. The
activity should slow down.
Comments on the site, anyone?
Cool stuff! 
11:57 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of William S .
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 11:39 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: I'm back!!!!
Ernest,
I like the site. Where are you located that you acquired
the items from Europe.
The Televideo 950 Terminal looks alot like the
DEC vt100 I once had and used with a 300 baud
(or was it 1200 baud) external modem.
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
I'm located in Seattle. Many of the European systems that I
have were bought on ebay, and shipped over from where ever
they were bought from. However a few, like the Basis 108,
TA Alphatronic PC, and Olympia Olytext 20 were either bought
or found here in Seattle.
I love my Televideo 950. It's easily the best terminal that
I've ever laid fingers on. The sharp image on the screen is
really beautiful, and I had to fight with my co-worker when
I decided to take it home with me instead of leaving it attached
to the AS/400 that I was trying it out on. The IBM terminal that
came with the 400 was a painful to use after that, and it was
more than 12 years newer than my 950.
Does anyone know anything about that Pilara 2000. I can't find
any information about it anywhere. It seems to be one of a kind.
You are located in Amsterdam, right? Do you know of anyone who
might have a Luxor ABC 80 for sale or trade? It's a Swedish
computer but Amsterdam is a hell of a lot closer to Sweden than
Seattle. :)
E.
24 Dec
24 Dec
2:23 a.m.
I have not know of anyone offhand having that item.
I will keep my eyes open and let you know if
somethings available.
Bill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 05:57:17AM -0800, Ernest wrote:
You are located in Amsterdam, right? Do you know of anyone who
might have a Luxor ABC 80 for sale or trade? It's a Swedish
computer but Amsterdam is a hell of a lot closer to Sweden than
Seattle. :)
12:31 a.m.
New subject: Apple II serial number 2000?
I have an Apple II, serial number 2000. There is some question as to whether
or not this acurate so I thought that I would toss it out here and see if
any of you can verify it one way or the other. This is the first Apple II
computer that I've
really been able to work with so I'm not sure about all the different
revisions that Apple made to the A2, or what things to
look for that would indicate whether or not this board is old enough to be
serial number 2000.
One person told me that it is in fact, a revision 0 board, and the edge
connectors are unusual (?) but someone else (Sellam) mentioned that he
believed that Apple began the A2 series with serial number 2001 (a spin on
the 2001 movie.) I would like to hear if anyone has any thoughts or opinions
about it.
Me, I'm just happy to finally have a real Apple II, no matter what the
serial number is.
There are pictures of it on my web page at:
http://12.228.5.66
The pictures will expand to 640x480 if you click on the main images.
Thanks.
E.
5:05 a.m.
New subject: Apple II serial number 2000?
The Apple II computers started at serial number #1. When I was going to the
College of San Mateo in 1976 and 1977 I worked at a local computer store,
Allied Computer, run by Chet Harris. The owner was trying to set up a chain
like the Byte Shops and Computer Land. I got to meet some interesting people
then, like a field trip to Bill Godbout's where we met Bill and George
Morrow.
Chet had tried to interest Mike Markala in investing in his enterprise but
Mr. Markala was going with Apple. Allied Computer was a distributor for
Apple and we sold Apple II main boards before the plastic case was ready.
(It took several design iterations before the injection molds worked
correctly.)
One Saturday Chet came in with the first two Apple II computers built,
Serial number 1 and 2. He sold #1 to a friend of his and I took #2 home with
me. I hooked it up to our color TV and loaded various games. I showed the
system to friends for a week or so until the power supply died. It went back
to Apple and I never saw it again.
One of the customers at Allied Computer was Bill Kelly. He was working for
Regis McKenna Advertising on the Apple II introduction. He has a web page
that talks about the early days at Apple Computer.
http://www.kelleyad.com/Histry.htm
-----------------------------------------------
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com
-----------------------------------------------
3:25 p.m.
New subject: Apple II serial number 2000?
Michael Holley wrote:
The Apple II computers started at serial number #1.
When I was going to the
College of San Mateo in 1976 and 1977 I worked at a local computer store,
Allied Computer, run by Chet Harris. The owner was trying to set up a chain
like the Byte Shops and Computer Land. I got to meet some interesting people
then, like a field trip to Bill Godbout's where we met Bill and George
Morrow.
I.m pretty sure I sold the first Apple II computer in Virginia before
Computerland ever existed.
It was a demo. I suspect that if it wasn't a single digit SN, then it was a low
two digit SN.
I worked for a company called 'The Computer Systems Store' in McLean, VA. We
sold Commodore PETs and SOL 20s, 1976-1978. Computerland put us out of buisness.
Eric
Chet had tried to interest Mike Markala in investing in his enterprise but
Mr. Markala was going with Apple. Allied Computer was a distributor for
Apple and we sold Apple II main boards before the plastic case was ready.
(It took several design iterations before the injection molds worked
correctly.)
One Saturday Chet came in with the first two Apple II computers built,
Serial number 1 and 2. He sold #1 to a friend of his and I took #2 home with
me. I hooked it up to our color TV and loaded various games. I showed the
system to friends for a week or so until the power supply died. It went back
to Apple and I never saw it again.
One of the customers at Allied Computer was Bill Kelly. He was working for
Regis McKenna Advertising on the Apple II introduction. He has a web page
that talks about the early days at Apple Computer.
http://www.kelleyad.com/Histry.htm
-----------------------------------------------
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com
-----------------------------------------------
5:36 p.m.
New subject: Apple II serial number 2000?
These were the first two assembled units. Chet Harris went down the Apple
factory in Cupertino to pick them up. He had some kind of business
relationship with Mike Markala. He got Mike Markala to come to his store to
demo the Apple II computers. I sat at a table with him for several hours
demonstrating the Apple II.
We had Apple II boards for several week before that. Apple had difficulty
with the plastic case. I think they were flying the tooling back and forth
a
low
from Los Angles to San Jose. The factory was in one
place and the tool
designer was in the other. I don't think the first cases had
the vent holes
in the side.
Computer Land was call Computer Shack before Radio Shack got on them. The
store in San Leandro was open before the Apple II came out. In the January
1977 Byte magazine there is an ad for Computer Shack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Chomko" <vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Apple II serial number 2000?
Michael Holley wrote:
> The Apple II computers started at serial number #1. When I was going to
the
> College of San Mateo in 1976 and 1977 I worked at
a local computer
store,
> Allied Computer, run by Chet Harris. The owner
was trying to set up a
chain
> like the Byte Shops and Computer Land. I got to
meet some interesting
people
then, like a
field trip to Bill Godbout's where we met Bill and George
Morrow.
I.m pretty sure I sold the first Apple II computer in Virginia before
Computerland ever existed.
It was a demo. I suspect that if it wasn't a single digit SN, then it was two digit SN.
I worked for a company called 'The Computer Systems Store' in McLean, VA.
We
sold Commodore PETs and SOL 20s, 1976-1978.
Computerland put us out of
buisness.
Eric
>
> Chet had tried to interest Mike Markala in investing in his enterprise
but
> Mr. Markala was going with Apple. Allied Computer
was a distributor for
> Apple and we sold Apple II main boards before the plastic case was
ready.
> (It took several design iterations before the
injection molds worked
> correctly.)
>
> One Saturday Chet came in with the first two Apple II computers built,
> Serial number 1 and 2. He sold #1 to a friend of his and I took #2 home
with
> me. I hooked it up to our color TV and loaded
various games. I showed
the
> system to friends for a week or so until the
power supply died. It went
back
> to Apple and I never saw it again.
>
> One of the customers at Allied Computer was Bill Kelly. He was working
for
> Regis McKenna Advertising on the Apple II
introduction. He has a web
page
that talks
about the early days at Apple Computer.
http://www.kelleyad.com/Histry.htm
-----------------------------------------------
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com
-----------------------------------------------
26 Dec
26 Dec
8:07 a.m.
New subject: Apple II serial number 2000?
Thanks for the info, Mike.
The Computer Land in Virginia didn't open until the Apple II came out,
late 1977 or early 1978 as I recall.
In fact, it was the Apple II that made Computer Land in the area.
One doesn't think of Washington DC as a technology haven of any sort. But
between Rockville, MD and Springfield, VA there was a little piece of
Silicon Valley and I do recall MITS being there as well a the shop in
Rockville,
called the Computer Workshop that sold me my SWTPC 6800. They also,
sold, Vector Graphics, IMSAIs, and Polymorphics systems.
Eric
Michael Holley wrote:
These were the first two assembled units. Chet Harris
went down the Apple
factory in Cupertino to pick them up. He had some kind of business
relationship with Mike Markala. He got Mike Markala to come to his store to
demo the Apple II computers. I sat at a table with him for several hours
demonstrating the Apple II.
We had Apple II boards for several week before that. Apple had difficulty
with the plastic case. I think they were flying the tooling back and forth
from Los Angles to San Jose. The factory was in one place and the tool
designer was in the other. I don't think the first cases had the vent holes
in the side.
Computer Land was call Computer Shack before Radio Shack got on them. The
store in San Leandro was open before the Apple II came out. In the January
1977 Byte magazine there is an ad for Computer Shack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Chomko" <vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Apple II serial number 2000?
a
low
Michael Holley wrote:
> The Apple II computers started at serial number #1. When I was going to
the
> College of San Mateo in 1976 and 1977 I
worked at a local computer
store,
> Allied Computer, run by Chet Harris. The
owner was trying to set up a
chain
> like the Byte Shops and Computer Land. I got
to meet some interesting
people
then,
like a field trip to Bill Godbout's where we met Bill and George
Morrow.
I.m pretty sure I sold the first Apple II computer in Virginia before
Computerland ever existed.
It was a demo. I suspect that if it wasn't a single digit SN, then it was two digit SN.
I worked for a company called 'The Computer Systems Store' in McLean, VA.
We
sold Commodore PETs and SOL 20s, 1976-1978.
Computerland put us out of
buisness.
Eric
>
> Chet had tried to interest Mike Markala in investing in his enterprise
but
> Mr. Markala was going with Apple. Allied
Computer was a distributor for
> Apple and we sold Apple II main boards before the plastic case was
ready.
> (It took several design iterations before
the injection molds worked
> correctly.)
>
> One Saturday Chet came in with the first two Apple II computers built,
> Serial number 1 and 2. He sold #1 to a friend of his and I took #2 home
with
> me. I hooked it up to our color TV and
loaded various games. I showed
the
> system to friends for a week or so until the
power supply died. It went
back
> to Apple and I never saw it again.
>
> One of the customers at Allied Computer was Bill Kelly. He was working
for
> Regis McKenna Advertising on the Apple II
introduction. He has a web
page
> > that talks about the early days at Apple Computer.
> >
> > http://www.kelleyad.com/Histry.htm
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Michael Holley
> > www.swtpc.com
> > -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> 
24 Dec
24 Dec
6:34 a.m.
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2:18 a.m.
On 24-Dec-2001 William S . wrote:
Ernest,
I like the site. Where are you located that you acquired
the items from Europe.
The Televideo 950 Terminal looks alot like the
DEC vt100 I once had and used with a 300 baud
(or was it 1200 baud) external modem.
TVI950 terminals are visual clones of DEC terminals, but the control codes
are not the same. I have one that came with a MIPS M-120 I was given.
-Philip
3:02 a.m.
On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 gwynp(a)artware.qc.ca wrote:
On 24-Dec-2001 William S . wrote:
IIRC, you could actaully download software from a Televideo Z80 CP/M
computer onto those terminals and it would execute on the terminal (like a
diskless box). However I could be thinking of a different Televideo
terminal. My dad (an optometerist) had a few of those with the Televideo
system for a database system, and when the computer went down, the
terminals got sold off to another business still using the same system. :(
I'd love to get my hands on one of those old beasts. If I'm really lucky
I still have the manual for those terminals... though after my parents
moved I'm not too hopeful.
-- Pat
The Televideo 950 Terminal looks alot like the
DEC vt100 I once had and used with a 300 baud
(or was it 1200 baud) external modem.
TVI950 terminals are visual clones of DEC terminals, but the control codes
are not the same. I have one that came with a MIPS M-120 I was given.
3:18 a.m.
On 24-Dec-2001 Pat Finnegan wrote:
IIRC, you could actaully download software from a
Televideo Z80 CP/M
computer onto those terminals and it would execute on the terminal (like
a diskless box). However I could be thinking of a different Televideo
terminal.
*That* would be cool. However, I've just discovered (by pulling
out the
manual to see if it describes this function) that I have a 925, not a
950.
I'd love to get my hands on one of those old
beasts. If I'm really
lucky I still have the manual for those terminals... though after my
parents moved I'm not too hopeful.
My TVI925 is looking for a good home. :) Only caveat is that the image
flickers. I believe this is because the brightnes pot is dirty and a
little shot of contact cleaner would fix the problem. Other problem is
that it's in southern Qu?bec... shipping would probably be $$$. Unless
someone wants to come pick it up?
-Philip
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