In cctalk digest, Vol 1 #643 Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com wrote: The HP 85 uses LIF, that is why LIFUTIL can read HP 85 disks You have to use the GETSAVE utility that adds the SAVE and GET commands that use ASCII files. GETSAVE is a binary utility, so you need a different one depending on whether you have an HP83/5 or HP86/7. Both versions may be found at http://www.series80.org/Programs At the top of that page you can find instructions on how to get the LIFUTIL software (for those that do not have it) and also instructions for exchanging programs and data between PCs and HP Series 80 machines with floppy drives. **vp