30 Nov
2016
30 Nov
'16
8:35 p.m.
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e? Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Or do I need to have one made with some specific serial number of my key lock? I did some
googling of this issue but wasn't able to get info.
Thanks
Eugene W2HX
30 Nov
30 Nov
9:07 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:35 PM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e?
I've been carrying a standard DEC key on my keyring since 1982...
Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Nearly all (a custom key was an option - I have only ever seen *1* DEC
machine that does not use either an ACE XX2247 or a pinless key, out
of many dozens).
Or do I need to have one made with some specific
serial number of my key lock? I did some googling of this issue but wasn't able to
get info.
There should be _lots_ of info on DEC ACE XX2247 keys including pin
depths and even 3D models.
-ethan
1 Dec
1 Dec
5:19 a.m.
Hey all,
Thanks to everyone for the response on keys. I am sorry I don?t know how I missed all the
collected information here on this subject. My apologies. I now have all the information I
need on this subject! Thanks everyone.
Eugene
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 12:07 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: PDP-8e power switch key?
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:35 PM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e?
I've been carrying a standard DEC key on my keyring since 1982...
Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Nearly all (a custom key was an option - I have only ever seen *1* DEC machine that does
not use either an ACE XX2247 or a pinless key, out of many dozens).
Or do I need to have one made with some specific
serial number of my key lock? I did some googling of this issue but wasn't able to
get info.
There should be _lots_ of info on DEC ACE XX2247 keys including pin depths and even 3D
models.
-ethan
8:57 a.m.
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016, W2HX wrote:
Thanks to everyone for the response on keys. I am
sorry I don?t know
how I missed all the collected information here on this subject. My
apologies. I now have all the information I need on this subject! Thanks
everyone.
If you can, you should remove the lock and take it with you to the
locksmith when you go to get your xx2247 key made.
1) It makes it convenient to test the newly-cut key, and/or resolve any
uncertainties about it.
2) In SOME jusrisdictions, there are local regulations forbidding
code-cutting of keys, without varying levels of PROOF that you own/have
said lock. That is nominally so that, since many locks have their
code-name displayed, that somebody doesn't walk into a locksmith and get
keys cut for other people's locks.
5 years ago, in the previous discussion of the XX2247, a couple of people
measured their keys. If you don't have a code-cutting locksmith handy,
those discussions were just about all you would need to machine your own
blank and cut it yourself.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
8:58 a.m.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016, W2HX wrote:
There is a key depository that I believe you can locate within the DEC
section of the vcfed.org/forum/ user group..
b
Thanks to everyone for the response on keys. I am
sorry I don?t know how
I missed all the collected information here on this subject. My apologies.
I now have all the information I need on this subject! Thanks everyone.
If you can, you should remove the lock and take it with you to the
locksmith when you go to get your xx2247 key made.
1) It makes it convenient to test the newly-cut key, and/or resolve any
uncertainties about it.
2) In SOME jusrisdictions, there are local regulations forbidding
code-cutting of keys, without varying levels of PROOF that you own/have
said lock. That is nominally so that, since many locks have their
code-name displayed, that somebody doesn't walk into a locksmith and get
keys cut for other people's locks.
5 years ago, in the previous discussion of the XX2247, a couple of people
measured their keys. If you don't have a code-cutting locksmith handy,
those discussions were just about all you would need to machine your own
blank and cut it yourself.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com 
30 Nov
30 Nov
9:17 p.m.
On 11/30/2016 8:35 PM, W2HX wrote:
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e? Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Or do I need to have one made with some specific serial number of my key lock? I did some
googling of this issue but wasn't able to get info.
Thanks
Eugene W2HX
Since I'm going to get some keys made, I looked up Jay's
posting of
keys, three of which we verified from his formulas.
Here is the posting from March 2016
Here are the formulas he posted then. I thought there were more
discussions about making an archival page, but I did not go on and look
up whether it was made up or not.
As Ethan said, somewhere there is also a 3d print STD file I believe,
but the locksmith numbers are better.
**** key post contents ****
FYI - the key codes I measured previously for Data General and HP have been
cut, tested, and verified. Amazingly, my measurements were correct. So to
summarize:
XX2247
Code: 5173757
Use: DEC PDP-8 (all varieties), PDP-11 machines that do not use an ACE blank
(11/24, 11/44)
XX2065
Code: 1353757
Use: Data General Nova (800,1200,1220,2,3) Eclipse (S/130,S/200)
XX2946
Code: 4557457
Use: Hewlett-Packard 2100A/2100S
NOTE: The codes above are listed 7-1, and all key cuts are center offset.
Still unconfirmed or need more information:
Cromemco: XX4306
Code: (Mike Stein was going to measure his cuts)
Use: Cromemco Systems CS-1/CS-3/CS-100
J
9:43 p.m.
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From: "jim stephens" <jwsmail at jwsss.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: PDP-8e power switch key?
On 11/30/2016 8:35 PM, W2HX wrote:
===================================
As a matter of fact I did measure the Cromemco cuts and post the numbers, but there may
have been some ambiguity regarding clockwise vs. anti-clockwise; if/when I get a chance
I'll measure them again.
m
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e? Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Or do I need to have one made with some specific serial number of my key lock? I did some
googling of this issue but wasn't able to get info.
Thanks
Eugene W2HX
Since I'm going to get some keys made, I looked up Jay's
posting of
keys, three of which we verified from his formulas.
Here is the posting from March 2016
Here are the formulas he posted then. I thought there were more
discussions about making an archival page, but I did not go on and look
up whether it was made up or not.
As Ethan said, somewhere there is also a 3d print STD file I believe,
but the locksmith numbers are better.
**** key post contents ****
FYI - the key codes I measured previously for Data General and HP have been
cut, tested, and verified. Amazingly, my measurements were correct. So to
summarize:
XX2247
Code: 5173757
Use: DEC PDP-8 (all varieties), PDP-11 machines that do not use an ACE blank
(11/24, 11/44)
XX2065
Code: 1353757
Use: Data General Nova (800,1200,1220,2,3) Eclipse (S/130,S/200)
XX2946
Code: 4557457
Use: Hewlett-Packard 2100A/2100S
NOTE: The codes above are listed 7-1, and all key cuts are center offset.
Still unconfirmed or need more information:
Cromemco: XX4306
Code: (Mike Stein was going to measure his cuts)
Use: Cromemco Systems CS-1/CS-3/CS-100
J
1 Dec
1 Dec
9:13 a.m.
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:35:31PM -0800, W2HX wrote:
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e? Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Or do I need to have one made with some specific serial number of my key lock? I did some
googling of this issue but wasn't able to get info.
Thanks
Eugene W2HX
I bought one of these for $18.47 for my 8/e, and it works fine.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142118132040
Mark
--
Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com), KC3DRE
10:10 a.m.
A long, long time ago (1978, 79?) when I had a straight 8 and our group had
a new VAX 11/780 I verified that the same key works on both machines.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Mark G Thomas <Mark at misty.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:35:31PM -0800, W2HX wrote:
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e? Is there a standard key used
for all of
them? Or do I need to have one made with some specific serial
number of my key lock? I did some googling of this issue but wasn't able
to get info.
Thanks
Eugene W2HX
I bought one of these for $18.47 for my 8/e, and it works fine.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142118132040
Mark
--
Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com), KC3DRE
2 Dec
2 Dec
5:10 a.m.
Aah. Great, thanks. If I can't get one made locally I will certainly get that one!
thank you
Eugene
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark G Thomas
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 12:13 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: PDP-8e power switch key?
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:35:31PM -0800, W2HX wrote:
Hi folks,
What are people doing for keys for the 8e? Is there a standard key used for all of them?
Or do I need to have one made with some specific serial number of my key lock? I did some
googling of this issue but wasn't able to get info.
Thanks
Eugene W2HX
I bought one of these for $18.47 for my 8/e, and it works fine.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142118132040
Mark
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