8 Jan
2002
8 Jan
'02
2:18 a.m.
From: "Merle K. Peirce"
<at258(a)osfn.org>
Well we might very well be interested in a ZS-1.
Do you have some idea of how and when? As I mentioned before, I would need to have a
commitment fairly quick to keep the machines intact.
Later,
Jon
Jon Auringer
auringer(a)tds.net
8 Jan
8 Jan
3:11 a.m.
Well, I could possibly drive out and return with a truck. Possibly I
could haul for Bill Donzelli if he's interested. It is on the way. That
would save at least 2 ZS-1's. We could haul more, perhaps. Do you have
docs on the ZS's?
I am loath to fly, but it might be possible. I need to know if they are
availbale to us, and then I could put the trip together. I did a
truckload from VA/DC/NY just before Christmas. Probably 2 days out, lay
day, load and 2 days back. Or 3.
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 auringer(a)tds.net wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
From:
"Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org>
Well we might very well be interested in a ZS-1.
Do you have some idea of how and when? As I mentioned before, I would need to have a
commitment fairly quick to keep the machines intact.
Later,
Jon
Jon Auringer
auringer(a)tds.net
8:09 a.m.
Well, I could possibly drive out and return with a
truck. Possibly I
could haul for Bill Donzelli if he's interested. It is on the way. That
would save at least 2 ZS-1's. We could haul more, perhaps. Do you have
docs on the ZS's?
I am loath to fly, but it might be possible. I need to know if they are
availbale to us, and then I could put the trip together. I did a
truckload from VA/DC/NY just before Christmas. Probably 2 days out, lay
day, load and 2 days back. Or 3.
If we (Merle and I) are going to do this, I could roadtrip out to help
(after all, I want a ZS-1, and would not complain about a VAX-11/780,
either). I need to make a Chicago run soon, anyway. Merle could tag along
on the roadtrip all the way to Madison for the machine loading fun. It
would save you a airplane ride, and you would get to see all of the fun
stuff in the Midwest.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
9:50 a.m.
Moving an 11/780 around isn't too bad if you have two people, and you
remove the power supplies.
I moved one into the house after removing the boards, side panels, door,
power supplies, 11/03, and the fans.
Those blower fans are heavy.....
- Matt
P.S. - A liftgate truck is a blessing from Heaven if you can get one.
At 05:09 PM 1/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
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Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
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Well, I could
possibly drive out and return with a truck. Possibly I
could haul for Bill Donzelli if he's interested. It is on the way. That
would save at least 2 ZS-1's. We could haul more, perhaps. Do you have
docs on the ZS's?
I am loath to fly, but it might be possible. I need to know if they are
availbale to us, and then I could put the trip together. I did a
truckload from VA/DC/NY just before Christmas. Probably 2 days out, lay
day, load and 2 days back. Or 3.
If we (Merle and I) are going to do this, I could roadtrip out to help
(after all, I want a ZS-1, and would not complain about a VAX-11/780,
either). I need to make a Chicago run soon, anyway. Merle could tag along
on the roadtrip all the way to Madison for the machine loading fun. It
would save you a airplane ride, and you would get to see all of the fun
stuff in the Midwest.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org 
10:07 a.m.
Moving an 11/780 around isn't too bad if you have
two people, and you
remove the power supplies.
An old friend tried (not too hard; I was pretty interested) to
sell me empty 780 cabinets in 1988. Thought he said
the basic doublewide _empty_ cabinet was 350 ?250?lbs.
Not too bad???
John A.
10:38 a.m.
It does have wheels..... : )
I doubt that an empty cabinet is 350 lbs. I moved one into the house by
myself. I just put a small ramp at the front door. I lifted one side of the
cabinet to put the first set of wheels onto the entryway, went around the
side, and pushed the back half up the ramp.
The bitch is moving a fully loaded 780 around on the carpet. I relocated
the 780 and the Unibus cabinet to the other side of the office - both
cabinets are loaded and sitting on carpet. That was a job.....
The trick is to combine the moving and cleaning operations. I removed
everything except the SBI backplane from the chassis, rolled it into the
driveway from the garage, and powerwashed it. Then, I individually cleaned
every component I removed. The boards went to the dishwasher, and the metal
chassis components and fans were cleaned with a garden hose and detergent.
When the chassis was dry (in Houston, during the occasional low humidity
summer day, things dry *real* fast) I rolled it into the house, and I
brought the rest of the components inside and started to mount them.
This process took about a week or so to finish. It's a clean 780, though...
Want some 8600's? I can get you a few. Where are you located?
- Matt
At 07:07 PM 1/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Matthew Sell
Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
www.ontimesupport.com
(281) 296-6066
Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST!
http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
Moving an
11/780 around isn't too bad if you have two people, and you
remove the power supplies.
An old friend tried (not too hard; I was pretty interested) to
sell me empty 780 cabinets in 1988. Thought he said
the basic doublewide _empty_ cabinet was 350 ?250?lbs.
Not too bad???
John A. 
4:27 p.m.
Doc,
Shoot me a mail offline - msell(a)ontimesupport.com
- Matt
At 08:30 PM 1/8/2002 -0600, you wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Matthew Sell wrote:
Matthew Sell
Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
www.ontimesupport.com
(281) 296-6066
Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST!
http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
Want some 8600's? I can get you a few. Where
are you located?
Yes! I'm in Austin, Texas. You mean, like, free? ;)
Doc
11:58 a.m.
Sounds like a good plan. It's becoming more feasible all the time.
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, William Donzelli wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Well, I could
possibly drive out and return with a truck. Possibly I
could haul for Bill Donzelli if he's interested. It is on the way. That
would save at least 2 ZS-1's. We could haul more, perhaps. Do you have
docs on the ZS's?
I am loath to fly, but it might be possible. I need to know if they are
availbale to us, and then I could put the trip together. I did a
truckload from VA/DC/NY just before Christmas. Probably 2 days out, lay
day, load and 2 days back. Or 3.
If we (Merle and I) are going to do this, I could roadtrip out to help
(after all, I want a ZS-1, and would not complain about a VAX-11/780,
either). I need to make a Chicago run soon, anyway. Merle could tag along
on the roadtrip all the way to Madison for the machine loading fun. It
would save you a airplane ride, and you would get to see all of the fun
stuff in the Midwest.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
8:38 p.m.
I wouldn't mind getting in a share of the driving. I want one of these
too.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, William Donzelli wrote:
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:09:45 -0500 (EST)
From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org>
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: auringer(a)tds.net
Subject: Re: Re: VAX 11/780s - Masscomp - Valid equipment available
Well, I could possibly drive out and return with
a truck. Possibly I
could haul for Bill Donzelli if he's interested. It is on the way. That
would save at least 2 ZS-1's. We could haul more, perhaps. Do you have
docs on the ZS's?
I am loath to fly, but it might be possible. I need to know if they are
availbale to us, and then I could put the trip together. I did a
truckload from VA/DC/NY just before Christmas. Probably 2 days out, lay
day, load and 2 days back. Or 3.
If we (Merle and I) are going to do this, I could roadtrip out to help
(after all, I want a ZS-1, and would not complain about a VAX-11/780,
either). I need to make a Chicago run soon, anyway. Merle could tag along
on the roadtrip all the way to Madison for the machine loading fun. It
would save you a airplane ride, and you would get to see all of the fun
stuff in the Midwest.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
3:15 a.m.
Would it be possible to get a MassComp system with these? We don't have
one of them yet, although they don't seem to have a great reputation.
I see you're looking at 2 week time frame for a committment, and I thank
that can be done. We might even be able to get headed out there in that
time frame. Incidentally we're 501-c-3 if that helps any.
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 auringer(a)tds.net wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
From:
"Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org>
Well we might very well be interested in a ZS-1.
Do you have some idea of how and when? As I mentioned before, I would need to have a
commitment fairly quick to keep the machines intact.
Later,
Jon
Jon Auringer
auringer(a)tds.net
3:54 a.m.
"Merle K. Peirce" wrote:
Would it be possible to get a MassComp system with these? We don't have
one of them yet, although they don't seem to have a great reputation.
Yes you can
I see you're looking at 2 week time frame for a
committment, and I thank
that can be done. We might even be able to get headed out there in that
time frame. Incidentally we're 501-c-3 if that helps any.
I don't exactly know what 501-c-3 is, but I am guessing a nonprofit org?
If so, I think that will help us. If you want to include that info in
the information request I just sent you, that would be great.
Jon
3:55 a.m.
Would it be possible to get a MassComp system with
these? We don't have
one of them yet, although they don't seem to have a great reputation.
They're pretty interesting machines with a history that dates back to
the real time folks at DEC.
When the 68k stuff started appearing a number of ex-DEC and DG folks
looked at Unix and grafted the idea of RSX-11's EMT routines onto
SysIII and later SysV Unix.
I worked for DEC for 5 years and went to Concurrent which was the old
Interdata/Perkin Elmer folks. In late 87 or early 88 they merged with
Masscomp and took them over and ran the operations (which was already
troubled by bad management) into the ground.
RTU was not quite as slick as the Pyramid dual universe scheme.
RTU just implemented the SysIII/SysV commands and dual BSD and SysV
libraries to link against.
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@ureach.com
5:34 a.m.
Wanna come up and play with our Perkin-Elmers sometime?
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Bill Pechter wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Would it be
possible to get a MassComp system with these? We don't have
one of them yet, although they don't seem to have a great reputation.
They're pretty interesting machines with a history that dates back to
the real time folks at DEC.
When the 68k stuff started appearing a number of ex-DEC and DG folks
looked at Unix and grafted the idea of RSX-11's EMT routines onto
SysIII and later SysV Unix.
I worked for DEC for 5 years and went to Concurrent which was the old
Interdata/Perkin Elmer folks. In late 87 or early 88 they merged with
Masscomp and took them over and ran the operations (which was already
troubled by bad management) into the ground.
RTU was not quite as slick as the Pyramid dual universe scheme.
RTU just implemented the SysIII/SysV commands and dual BSD and SysV
libraries to link against.
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@ureach.com
11:48 p.m.
Wanna come up and play with our Perkin-Elmers
sometime?
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
The amount of OS/32 I know is minimal and dropping daily.
I used to know Xelos (Perkin-Elmer's SysV Rel0 port to the 3200 series)
but that's not available anywhere I'll bet and no one is probably
at the current Concurrent (formerly Harris) who cares about adding it
to the archived Unix software at The Unix Heritage Society.
RTU is also pretty rare these days.
My favorite OS source code I'd like to see released is Pyramid's OS/x
dual universe (SysV BSD) SMP port.
There are pieces of that I'd love to see in FreeBSD.
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@ureach.com
9 Jan
9 Jan
9 a.m.
New subject: Pyramid OS/x (was: Re: Re: VAX 11/780s - Masscomp - Valid equipment available)
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bill Pechter wrote:
My favorite OS source code I'd like to see
released is Pyramid's OS/x
dual universe (SysV BSD) SMP port.
Speaking of which, does anyone know what version of OS/x the R4400 cpu
based systems used? Anyone have a source for it?
-Toth
10 Jan
10 Jan
4:18 a.m.
New subject: Pyramid OS/x (was: Re: Re: VAX 11/780s - Masscomp - Valid equipment available)
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bill Pechter wrote:
The OS/x was the Pyramid designed RISC... kind of Sparc-like.
The DC/OSx was the SysV Rel4 R3000 series stuff.
The R4400 was probably a Nile and I left Pyramid before they released
them.
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@ureach.com
My favorite OS source code I'd like to see
released is Pyramid's OS/x
dual universe (SysV BSD) SMP port.
Speaking of which, does anyone know what version of OS/x the R4400 cpu
based systems used? Anyone have a source for it?
-Toth
9:58 a.m.
New subject: Pyramid OS/x (was: Re: Re: VAX 11/780s - Masscomp - Valid equipment available)
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Bill Pechter wrote:
The OS/x was the Pyramid designed RISC... kind of
Sparc-like.
The DC/OSx was the SysV Rel4 R3000 series stuff.
The R4400 was probably a Nile and I left Pyramid before they released
them.
Yes, the R4400 chips were used in Nile machines. They ran them at 75, 150
and 200MHz as I recall.
-Toth
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