ok! sorry a better explanation... there is-- like this crate... it is about 1 foot by two feet. they are all isa. they are in packaging or plastic thingies they all came in. I had gotten them years ago and.... ( of course kick my self in the ass for not getting rid of them years ago when they were more sought after) but then again... I guess they don't make ISA only cards now? not for sale at frys anyway.... there is at least 40 of them. Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "der Mouse" <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: a crate of 10 base network cards are available.