22 May
2021
22 May
'21
4:45 p.m.
Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the article even sources
being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60% Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can
relate nor only to loss of articles but from sites, drivers, file repositories,
etc....https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-yo…
22 May
22 May
7:41 p.m.
link rot is weird in what disapears vs still works
On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence.
According to the
article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60%
Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles
but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc....
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-time…
8:28 p.m.
On 5/22/21 7:41 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
link rot is weird in what disapears vs still works
On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the
> article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60%
> Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles
> but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc....
>
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-time…
I've said it before--putting information on the web is like writing in
sand. Thank heavens for the Wayback machine (which is why I support
Brewster's efforts).
However, it's far from perfect--in particular ftp content has apparently
never been archived and many vendor's support pages have had robots.txt
files preventing them from being archived.
Still, it's better than nothing and I appreciate it. Were it more
complete, I might not have to spend so much time reverse-engineering
software.
Try searching for some of the older, say, HP support pages. I'm pretty
sure that some "executive' made the decision to pull all of the support
material for old systems, as that doesn't contribute to the bottom line.
The New HP Way.
A nasty trend is adware sites are simply quoting text from a large
number of now defunct pages; go to the link and you get the
"CONGRATULATIONS! YOU ARE THE ONE BILLIONTH VISITOR!" page. Run, do not
walk away.
A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish
Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text.
--Chuck
8:39 p.m.
However, it's far from perfect--in particular ftp
content has
apparently
Yes, who would have ever thought FTPs would be dropping like flies though? Web sites?
Sure. But FTP - how else were you going to distribute all those drivers, patches, etc...
Short answer just don't bother doing it....
Try searching for some of the older, say, HP support
pages. I'm pretty
sure that some "executive' made the decision to pull all of the support
material for old systems, as that doesn't contribute to the bottom
line.
The New HP Way.
No, the new HP way is to make it very hard to find information (if it exists) then move it
behind a pay wall and finally get rid of it... I've run into this a few times with
firmware that used to be freely available from Compaq FTP now being behind a "support
contract needed" pay wall... The one company that gets kudos for maintaining their
support site is Adaptec - after multiple mergers and buyouts you can still get drivers and
manuals for products as old as the 1540... Too bad there is no easy way to archive their
site...
A more disturbing popular trend is information being
placed in long-ish
Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of
text.
You can't monetize a page of text as easily as you can a video view on YouTube....
Luckily so far I have never ever had to watch one of these videos for info that can be
gleaned from text. Other videos, such as techniques on soldering, are a different story as
those skills cannot be taught simply by reading about them....
I continue to have my own personal archive of pages and YouTube videos for things I find
useful. Because you never know...
10:08 p.m.
I've always thought that robots.txt would the be interesting stuff that
should be archived, perhaps it could be behind a paywall. There's no law
against archiving it other then subnets being blocked, which is easily
bypassed as matt cutts wrote a blog post on silently spidering content.
Also you can use the cloud proxies which call themselves sdwan. Yacy and
other p2p web crawlers are another way to go.
On Sat, May 22, 2021, 11:28 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 5/22/21 7:41 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
link rot is weird in what disapears vs still
works
On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the
> article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60%
> Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of
articles
> but from sites, drivers, file repositories,
etc....
>
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-time…
I've said it before--putting information on the web is like writing in
sand. Thank heavens for the Wayback machine (which is why I support
Brewster's efforts).
However, it's far from perfect--in particular ftp content has apparently
never been archived and many vendor's support pages have had robots.txt
files preventing them from being archived.
Still, it's better than nothing and I appreciate it. Were it more
complete, I might not have to spend so much time reverse-engineering
software.
Try searching for some of the older, say, HP support pages. I'm pretty
sure that some "executive' made the decision to pull all of the support
material for old systems, as that doesn't contribute to the bottom line.
The New HP Way.
A nasty trend is adware sites are simply quoting text from a large
number of now defunct pages; go to the link and you get the
"CONGRATULATIONS! YOU ARE THE ONE BILLIONTH VISITOR!" page. Run, do not
walk away.
A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish
Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text.
--Chuck
24 May
24 May
8:58 a.m.
On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
A more disturbing popular trend is information being
placed in long-ish
Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text.
Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to
spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 minutes
of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to focus
on something unless it's noisy and moving.
10:33 a.m.
Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current
generations don't want to
spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30
minutes
of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to
focus
on something unless it's noisy and moving.
No. Money.
It is much easier to monetize those videos then it is to make money off of a
web page and ad views. It's not that the kids don't want to spend a couple
of minutes reading. It is because content is becoming less and less free.
-Ali
3:20 p.m.
On 2021-05-24 9:58 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Like Television? Oh wait we don't have that anymore. Just You-tube with ADS.
What scares me, is all this store all in the cloud stuff, or on the
internet like help files. You cannot buy a program but only an Free
APP with ads and other nonsense from <computer brand name> store.
Soon I suspect it will ONLY APPROVED by M$/APPLE/GOOGLE web pages can be
viewed and all cloud access will have service charge. This I fear the
most because you are forced into a system with no freedom
and no options out.
Ben.
A more disturbing popular trend is information
being placed in long-ish
Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of
text.
Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to
spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30
minutes of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the
ability to focus on something unless it's noisy and moving.
3:56 p.m.
On Mon, 24 May 2021, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2021-05-24 9:58 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk
wrote:
Ads? What ads? Oh! You must not have UBlock Origin installed. ;)
g.
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On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
Like Television? Oh wait we don't have that anymore. Just You-tube with ADS.
A more disturbing popular trend is information
being placed in long-ish
Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of
text.
Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to
spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 minutes
of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to focus
on something unless it's noisy and moving.
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