Old story, But never true. Everything about copying was done on the Apple ][ years before the C-64 (remember Locksmith or Nibbler ? :). And everything is still the same - easyer than ever (Buy a CD-Burner at USD 100 and get an idot proof copy programm for free) - so the home software market is dead ? Come on, be serious - it's still the same - if one wants a software and it is availabe (in difference to the early Apple ][ age when a pirate copy often whas the only trace about the existance of a special soft) one still buys it, if the price is right - but if the shop asks USD 500 just for a pop up util, one might look around for a copy - everybody wants new soft NOW - and don't want do search weeks just for a pirate. I still belive that most copys are no harm to the manufacturer. Example - I spend something like USD 150 per month on games (just one or two new games - they are horrible expensive in Germany). Same with two friens of mine - some- times we but a game 3 times - one each, since noone wants to wait one day for the copy. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK