6 May
2019
6 May
'19
8:55 a.m.
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Ray
6 May
6 May
9:56 a.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Ray Jewhurst via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Ray
You?d need the release notes from each release. Which in turn means having access to
those. I?m not sure how many of them are available online, or where they?d be found. It
sounds like a good project, for someone that has the time. It would definitely be
interesting to see. For that matter, even a collection of all the release notes would be
interesting.
Zane
9:59 a.m.
That sounds like fun. Maybe I will try to compile something myself.
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 12:56 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
On May 6, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Ray Jewhurst via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If
anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much
appreciated.
Thanks
Ray
You?d need the release notes from each release. Which in turn means
having access to those. I?m not sure how many of them are available
online, or where they?d be found. It sounds like a good project, for
someone that has the time. It would definitely be interesting to see. For
that matter, even a collection of all the release notes would be
interesting.
Zane
10:01 a.m.
If anyone is able to locate any of these documents, I?d be happy to host them at
vaxhaven.com <http://vaxhaven.com/> (as well as put up on bitsavers and archive.org
<http://archive.org/>)
Ian
On May 6, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Ray Jewhurst via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
That sounds like fun. Maybe I will try to compile something myself.
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 12:56 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
On May 6, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Ray Jewhurst via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If
anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much
appreciated.
Thanks
Ray
You?d need the release notes from each release. Which in turn means
having access to those. I?m not sure how many of them are available
online, or where they?d be found. It sounds like a good project, for
someone that has the time. It would definitely be interesting to see. For
that matter, even a collection of all the release notes would be
interesting.
Zane
10:03 a.m.
That being said, it appears that I have release notes for VMS 1.5 and VMS 2.0 on the site.
Found here:
http://vaxhaven.com/AA- <http://vaxhaven.com/AA->
Ian
On May 6, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Ian McLaughlin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
If anyone is able to locate any of these documents, I?d be happy to host them at
vaxhaven.com <http://vaxhaven.com/> (as well as put up on bitsavers and archive.org
<http://archive.org/>)
Ian
On May 6, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Ray Jewhurst via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
That sounds like fun. Maybe I will try to compile something myself.
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 12:56 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
On May 6, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Ray Jewhurst via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If
anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much
appreciated.
Thanks
Ray
You?d need the release notes from each release. Which in turn means
having access to those. I?m not sure how many of them are available
online, or where they?d be found. It sounds like a good project, for
someone that has the time. It would definitely be interesting to see. For
that matter, even a collection of all the release notes would be
interesting.
Zane
11:38 a.m.
On 06/05/2019 18:03, Ian McLaughlin via cctalk wrote:
That being said, it appears that I have release notes
for VMS 1.5 and VMS 2.0 on the site. Found here:
http://vaxhaven.com/AA- <http://vaxhaven.com/AA->
Ian
You have 1.6 too: http://vaxhaven.com/images/d/d4/AA-J039A-TE.pdf.
Bitsavers has (at least) release notes for V3.0.
Since V2.0 mentions 1.6 and 1.6 mentions 1.5 and 1.5 mentions 1.01, I
want to know what happened to 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4!
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
11:44 a.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Antonio Carlini via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
You have 1.6 too: http://vaxhaven.com/images/d/d4/AA-J039A-TE.pdf.
Bitsavers has (at least) release notes for V3.0.
Since V2.0 mentions 1.6 and 1.6 mentions 1.5 and 1.5 mentions 1.01, I want to know what
happened to 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4!
Thanks for the pointer for 3.0 - added to vaxhaven.com <http://vaxhaven.com/>.
Ian
10:47 a.m.
On 05/06/2019 10:55 AM, Ray Jewhurst via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of
changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much appreciated.
Wow! There were revision notes (is that the correct term?)
that accompanied each new version, telling the major things
that had changed. If you can find the manuals that went
with the versions, they had this revision info, and then
notes on how to install or update a system.
Jon
11:04 a.m.
Revision notes were important to read as i learned when i upgraded our 780 from VMS 3.0 to
3.1. All our DIBOL programs stopped working and had to be relinked. Not a fun thing to do
on a Monday night before customers started using the system.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 6,
2019, at 10:47, Jon Elson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 05/06/2019 10:55 AM, Ray Jewhurst via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list of changes from version
to version for VMS? Wikipedia's list only shows the models that were
introduced and I am more interested in the evolution of features. If anyone
knows a website that shows this it would be much appreciated.
Wow! There were
revision notes (is that the correct term?) that accompanied each new version, telling the
major things that had changed. If you can find the manuals that went with the versions,
they had this revision info, and then notes on how to install or update a system.
Jon 
11:55 a.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/6/19 10:47 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
In addition to the ?Release Notes? and ?SPD?, there is also the ?New Features" for at
least some versions.
HP OpenVMS Version 8.3 - New Features and Documentation Overview (Order Number:
BA322-90046)
For VAX/VMS 5.0, 5.2, and 5.3 I know ?New Features? books are the little Grey Paperbacks
like the nice Systems Manager book. I think for v6 and v7 they were the standard sized
books, but I can?t easily get to those books right now due to the rack I?m installing.
Unfortunately the documentation that HPE had online appears to have vanished. A lot of
this should be on Doc CD?s. It looks like VSI only has the current documentation online,
and it?s in PDF form.
https://www.vmssoftware.com/documents_list.html
Zane
Wow! There were revision notes (is that the
correct term?)
I have AA-LA97C, AA-LB22(A-C) which are the release notes for 5.0
-> 5.4
and the 5.4 SPD. I'll see about getting them on line.
1:21 p.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It looks like Al has a lot of the ?Release Notes? through v5.4 online.
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/vms/
Zane
On May 6, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/6/19 10:47 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
In addition to the ?Release Notes? and ?SPD?, there is also the ?New Features" for
at least some versions.
HP OpenVMS Version 8.3 - New Features and Documentation Overview (Order Number:
BA322-90046)
For VAX/VMS 5.0, 5.2, and 5.3 I know ?New Features? books are the little Grey Paperbacks
like the nice Systems Manager book. I think for v6 and v7 they were the standard sized
books, but I can?t easily get to those books right now due to the rack I?m installing.
Unfortunately the documentation that HPE had online appears to have vanished. A lot of
this should be on Doc CD?s. It looks like VSI only has the current documentation online,
and it?s in PDF form.
https://www.vmssoftware.com/documents_list.html
Zane Wow! There were revision notes (is that the
correct term?)
I have AA-LA97C, AA-LB22(A-C) which are the release notes for 5.0
-> 5.4
and the 5.4 SPD. I'll see about getting them on line.
1:47 p.m.
And I already have 7.1 and 7.3 so I am getting close. Now to compile a list
up to 5.4 then hopefully find a way to fill the gaps.
Ray
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 4:22 PM Zane Healy via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Features" for at least some versions.
On May 6, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Zane Healy via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On May 6, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/6/19 10:47 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
In addition to the ?Release Notes? and ?SPD?, there is also the ?New Wow! There were revision notes (is that the
correct term?)
I have AA-LA97C, AA-LB22(A-C) which are the release notes for 5.0
-> 5.4
and the 5.4 SPD. I'll see about getting them on line.
HP OpenVMS Version 8.3 - New Features and Documentation Overview (Order
Number:
BA322-90046)
For VAX/VMS 5.0, 5.2, and 5.3 I know ?New Features? books are the little
Grey
Paperbacks like the nice Systems Manager book. I think for v6 and v7
they were the standard sized books, but I can?t easily get to those books
right now due to the rack I?m installing.
Unfortunately the documentation that HPE had online appears to have
vanished. A
lot of this should be on Doc CD?s. It looks like VSI only has
the current documentation online, and it?s in PDF form.
It looks like Al has a lot of the ?Release Notes? through v5.4 online.
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/vms/
Zane
2:17 p.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Ray Jewhurst
<raywjewhurst at gmail.com> wrote:
And I already have 7.1 and 7.3 so I am getting close. Now to compile a list up to 5.4
then hopefully find a way to fill the gaps.
Ray
It would be nice to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest version).
Zane
2:33 p.m.
Yes it would but I will need some help since I am not very familiar with
Alpha and Itanium technologies.
Ray
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 5:17 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
On May 6, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com> wrote:
And I already have 7.1 and 7.3 so I am getting close. Now to compile a
list up to 5.4 then hopefully find a way to fill the gaps.
Ray
It would be nice to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest
version).
Zane
3:48 p.m.
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 5:17 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
It would be nice to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest
version).
Zane
There used to be an article about OpenVMS release history, naturally
it's been wiped.
Luckily, archive.org has a copy:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170825003059/http://h41379.www4.hpe.com/openv…
That gives you a reasonably complete list from V4.0 until V8.4 (no idea
why V4.1 didn't merit a place: it clearly existed as bitsavers has the
release notes!).
Now its just a case of tracking down the release notes. Sadly my
CONDISTs only go back to V5.5 or so.
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
4:13 p.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 5:17 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
WOW, how is it that I?ve never seen this? That?s one of the coolest little VMS doc
tidbits I?ve ever seen. I just snagged a copy.
Now to ask my eldest if he wants access to a system running ?Dory? or ?Nemo?, he?s in High
School. :-)
Zane
It would be nice to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest
version).
Zane
There used to be an article about OpenVMS release history, naturally it's been
wiped.
Luckily, archive.org has a copy:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170825003059/http://h41379.www4.hpe.com/openv…
That gives you a reasonably complete list from V4.0 until V8.4 (no idea why V4.1
didn't merit a place: it clearly existed as bitsavers has the release notes!).
Now its just a case of tracking down the release notes. Sadly my CONDISTs only go back to
V5.5 or so. 
4:58 p.m.
Not sure if it's that easy but if the file on CD-ROM had a consistent name, a specific
google or ftp search engine may actually be useful to find other copies out there.
Sent from my Apple /////c
> There used to be an article about OpenVMS release
history, naturally it's been wiped.
>
> Luckily, archive.org has a copy:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170825003059/http://h41379.www4.hpe.com/openv…
>
5:02 p.m.
On May 6, 2019, at 15:48, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 5:17 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
Likewise, there used to be an article about MPE release history. Links I know for it
are:
<http://community.hpe.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (20 Aug
2014)
<http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (28 Apr
2016)
Naturally it?s been wiped, and archive.org *doesn?t* have a copy, even though they have
other pages under that t5/General directory in both cases.
-Frank McConnell
It would be nice to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest
version).
Zane
There used to be an article about OpenVMS release history, naturally it's been wiped.
11:11 p.m.
New subject: MPE release history (was: Re: VMS versions)
On May 6, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Frank McConnell via cctech wrote:
Likewise, there used to be an article about MPE
release history. Links I know for it are:
<http://community.hpe.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (20 Aug
2014)
<http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (28 Apr
2016)
Naturally it?s been wiped, and archive.org *doesn?t* have a copy, even though they have
other pages under that t5/General directory in both cases.
I saved a copy in 2012. There are files attached to some of the posts in that forum thread
which collate the results and, amazingly, are still accessible:
http://community.hpe.com/hpeb/attachments/hpeb/itrc-19/2080/1/294077.html
http://community.hpe.com/hpeb/attachments/hpeb/itrc-19/2081/1/336662.htm
Grab them while you still can.
ok
bear.
--
until further notice
7 May
7 May
8:25 p.m.
New subject: MPE release history (was: Re: VMS versions)
On May 6, 2019, at 23:11, r.stricklin via cctalk wrote:
On May 6, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Frank McConnell via cctech
wrote:
Thanks. Grabbed. Those have most of the information I was missing being able to find
easily online: dates and version IDs for classic-3000 MPE releases. I wish I could still
get the discussion text that led up to them because they don?t entirely fit with my
memory.
The mid-1980s were kinda busy with MPE IV Q-MIT and its delta releases, which culminated
in MPE V/R for the Series II/III and 30/33 (I ran it on a Series III), and MPE V/P which
didn?t last very long, and then MPE V/E which had a future. Sometimes I have trouble
remembering what happened when. I don?t remember more than one MPE V/R release (E.01.00)
and it happened some time after MPE IV Q-Delta-2.
-Frank McConnell
Likewise, there used to be an article about MPE
release history. Links I know for it are:
<http://community.hpe.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (20 Aug
2014)
<http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (28 Apr
2016)
Naturally it?s been wiped, and archive.org *doesn?t* have a copy, even though they have
other pages under that t5/General directory in both cases.
I saved a copy in 2012. There are files attached to some of the posts in that forum
thread which collate the results and, amazingly, are still accessible:
http://community.hpe.com/hpeb/attachments/hpeb/itrc-19/2080/1/294077.html
http://community.hpe.com/hpeb/attachments/hpeb/itrc-19/2081/1/336662.htm
Grab them while you still can. 
8 May
8 May
1:07 a.m.
New subject: MPE release history (was: Re: VMS versions)
The HP Computer Museum website now has a link to the version history file referenced
below.
http://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?content=3000-MPE%20(Software)
Happy to update it if there is more info or corrections.
David Collins
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Subject: Re: MPE release history (was: Re: VMS versions)
On May 6, 2019, at 23:11, r.stricklin via cctalk wrote:
On May 6, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Frank McConnell via cctech
wrote:
Thanks. Grabbed. Those have most of the information I was missing being able to find
easily online: dates and version IDs for classic-3000 MPE releases. I wish I could still
get the discussion text that led up to them because they don?t entirely fit with my
memory.
The mid-1980s were kinda busy with MPE IV Q-MIT and its delta releases, which culminated
in MPE V/R for the Series II/III and 30/33 (I ran it on a Series III), and MPE V/P which
didn?t last very long, and then MPE V/E which had a future. Sometimes I have trouble
remembering what happened when. I don?t remember more than one MPE V/R release (E.01.00)
and it happened some time after MPE IV Q-Delta-2.
-Frank McConnell
Likewise, there used to be an article about MPE
release history. Links I know for it are:
<http://community.hpe.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425
I saved a copy in 2012. There are files attached to some of the posts in that forum
thread which collate the results and, amazingly, are still accessible:
http://community.hpe.com/hpeb/attachments/hpeb/itrc-19/2080/1/294077.h
tml
http://community.hpe.com/hpeb/attachments/hpeb/itrc-19/2081/1/336662.h
tm
Grab them while you still can. (20 Aug 2014)
<http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/407542
5> (28 Apr 2016)
Naturally it?s been wiped, and archive.org *doesn?t* have a copy, even though they have
other pages under that t5/General directory in both cases.
8 a.m.
New subject: MPE release history (was: Re: VMS versions)
On May 8, 2019, at 1:07, David Collins via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The HP Computer Museum website now has a link to the version history file referenced
below.
http://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?content=3000-MPE%20(Software)
Happy to update it if there is more info or corrections.
Thanks. I do think there is something bogus in it: the assertion that MPE V/R was a thing
in 1983. Yes, it was mentioned in an issue of Computer News, but (looking at that via the
HP Computer Museum web site too, and thanks for that too) I think that was a statement
about the future unbundling of DS/X.25 in MPE V/R. Also that MPE V/R was a long time in
coming. We ran Q-delta-2 on a Series III for a long time while the Series 64 became a 68
and maybe a 70, but did upgrade it to MPE V/R when that came out.
MPE V/R was ?MPE IV in MPE V drag?. It had the MPE V name but its internals and system
table structures were those of MPE IV. (We had some home-grown code that looked in the
JMAT for the next job number.)
-Frank McConnell
7 May
7 May
7:30 a.m.
New subject: MPE versions
Thanks for the awareness.
TurboImage Release History - get it while available!
https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c02078148&…
Keven Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank McConnell via cctech" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Mon 06 May 2019 05:02 PM
Subject: Re: VMS versions
On May 6, 2019, at 15:48, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 5:17 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:
Likewise, there used to be an article about MPE release history. Links I
know for it are:
<http://community.hpe.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (20
Aug 2014)
<http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (28
Apr 2016)
Naturally it?s been wiped, and archive.org *doesn?t* have a copy, even
though they have other pages under that t5/General directory in both cases.
-Frank McConnell
It would be nice to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest
version).
Zane
There used to be an article about OpenVMS release history, naturally it's
been wiped. 
1:40 p.m.
New subject: MPE versions
should? have? ?said? ? song!
In a message dated 5/7/2019 1:35:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org
writes:
Thanks for the awareness.
TurboImage Release History - get it while
available!https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c020…
Keven Miller
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McConnell via cctech" <cctech at
classiccmp.org>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>Sent: Mon 06 May 2019 05:02 PMSubject: Re: VMS versions
On May 6, 2019, at 15:48, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:>> On Mon, May 6, 2019,
5:17 PM Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> wrote:>>>> It would be nice
to see this through 8.4-2L1 (I think that?s the latest>> version).>>>>
Zane>>>> There used to be an article about OpenVMS release history, naturally
it's > been wiped.
Likewise, there used to be an article about MPE release history.? Links I know for it
are:
<http://community.hpe.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075425> (20 Aug
2014)<http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/MPE-Release-History/td-p/4075… (28 Apr
2016)
Naturally it?s been wiped, and archive.org *doesn?t* have a copy, even though they have
other pages under that t5/General directory in both cases.
-Frank McConnell
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