<snippage all over the place> I have done some lisp, (in (mostly Emacs)), so I'm a bit confused about you grouping Common Lisp with object oriented languages... could you elaborate? I am somewhat amused by your mention of forth. I maintain that HP managed to create a good implementation of an object oriented Forth - RPL. (Maybe they should have called it FORTH 1 +) (Objoke: there is now an object oriented COBOL. It's called ADD 1 TO COBOL GIVING COBOL (yes, before you flame me there are better ways to increment a variable but I've luckily never had the displeasure of having to use COBOL. (ObCC: but I _do_ have a COBOL interpreter for my C= SuperPET - but I only fired it up once to see if the disk was OK. I also have APL which is _way_ cool.))) I remember the hilarious (mis)feature of Moduala-2's "dual-tasking"... This was the language we had to use for "Intro to Operating Systems"... <shudder> The going joke is that somwhere inside Ada is a wonderful, small, efficient language screaming to get out... anyone remember who wrote this? -------------------------------------------- Joachim Thiemann DSP Coder, Castleton Network Systems I doubt therefore I might be.