14 Dec
2018
14 Dec
'18
10:16 a.m.
Hi, all,
I have a collection of most of BYTE Magazine from the beginning through
about 1985. Instead of selling it on eBay, I'd rather find a home for it
where people can enjoy it. I also have a small collection of other
computer magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s which I'd like to
include.
Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?
Thanks!
John
--
I don't know which scares me more - that people adhere to the idea of an
omnipotent being powerful enough to create the universe, but whose
supposedly most cherished creation is a race modeled after himself which
can't stop hurting and killing each other, or the idea that those same
people cannot or will not consider the possibility that the universe is
random and unfeeling, and it's up to us to create order and beauty out of
chaos and entropy.
14 Dec
14 Dec
10:50 a.m.
On 12/14/18 11:16 AM, John Klos via cctalk wrote:
Hi, all,
Hi John,
Does anyone know of any person or organization within
a reasonable
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?
Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers? I think one
or both of them will take things like this and scan them for
preservation and to share with other people.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
11:14 a.m.
New subject: Tektronix X11 terminal
hi
I have a xp217 tektronix terminal for sale
with its PSU and firmware
let me know if someone wants it
5:08 p.m.
New subject: Tektronix X11 terminal
hi im interested if its dual voltage (110 or 240v 50/60hz)
unfortunately i live in australia so postage maybe an issue but i have a
us address i could ship it to
On 15/12/2018 6:14 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
hi
I have a xp217 tektronix terminal for sale
with its PSU and firmware
let me know if someone wants it
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15 Dec
15 Dec
8:56 a.m.
New subject: Tektronix X11 terminal
On 12/14/18 12:14 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
hi
Hi,
I have a xp217 tektronix terminal for sale with its
PSU and firmware
Where are you / is it located?
let me know if someone wants it
I've had a passing interest in an X11 terminal for a while now.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
14 Dec
14 Dec
12:10 p.m.
> Does anyone know of any person or organization
within a reasonable distance
> from southern California who might take these magazines and preserve them,
> instead of just selling them on eBay?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or
BitSavers? I think one or
both of them will take things like this and scan them for preservation and to
share with other people.
Q1: Which issues of BYTE have not been scanned yet??
Q2: What do Internet Archive and Bitsavers do with materials after
scanning? (or duplicates? or incoming materials that they have aready
scanned?)
Maybe they could sell them on eBay to fund their activities, . . .
There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
Some people object to calling that "preservation".
12:40 p.m.
On Dec 14, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
Some people object to calling that "preservation".
Aren?t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the text is
?usable?, and illustrations are largely unusable?
Case in point, I?m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my favorite
photography authors, it?s on Google books, but the illustrations, which are vital to
understanding what the author is talking about, are largely useless.
Zane
1:22 p.m.
> There exist some people who DISCARD materials once
they have been scanned.
> Some people object to calling that "preservation".
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote:
Aren?t these the same people that scan at such poor
quality that only
the text is ?usable?, and illustrations are largely unusable?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two
groups. Although one would hope that those who think that digital
copies are adequate would care about making them adequate.
Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for
OCR.
Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those
that most need quality scanning.
Case in point, I?m trying to track down a 150 year old
book, by one of
my favorite photography authors, it?s on Google books, but the
illustrations, which are vital to understanding what the author is
talking about, are largely useless.
Hmmm. 150 year old photography book would be just after civil war.
My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years
ago, when publishers could do a good job of B&W plates, and the
technology of 35mm was coming along. (Morgan and Lester, etc.)
Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the
Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it!
Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who
scanned the book, and where it now is?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
5:40 p.m.
On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
And scan in colour, where it?s important!
> There exist some people who DISCARD materials
once they have been scanned.
> Some people object to calling that "preservation".
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote:
Aren?t these the same people that scan at such
poor quality that only the text is ?usable?, and illustrations are largely unusable?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two groups.
Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are adequate would care
about making them adequate.
Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for OCR. Certainly
Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those that most need quality
scanning. Case in point,
I?m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my favorite photography authors,
it?s on Google books, but the illustrations, which are vital to understanding what the
author is talking about, are largely useless.
Hmmm. 150 year old photography book would be just after civil war.
My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, when
publishers could do a good job of B&W plates, and the technology of 35mm was coming
along. (Morgan and Lester, etc.)
Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the Weston
Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it! Is there any way to penetrate the Google
infrastructure, to track down who scanned the book, and where it now is?
I think I?ve finally tracked down a copy. Part of the hold-up has been ensuring that I
don?t buy an older edition. There were at least 4 editions. It?s also *not* a cheap
book. Oddly enough, some of the techniques used in the book, seem better suited to Adobe
Photoshop. :-) H.P. Robinson was a man before his time!
Zane
11:54 p.m.
Zane, your comments are appreciated.
I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are OK for text,
but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom or increase the
resolution.
I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search.
I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already knows but me.
Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only found recently.
I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals. I see all this (now)
public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs.
The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars.
Randy
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Zane Healy via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:40 PM
To: Fred Cisin; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
It?s less a technical book, and more a philosophical book on composition, and uses works
of a well known 19th century painter in most examples. As for books in the time frame
you?re mentioning, don?t forget the ?Ilford Manual of Photography?, the examples for
troubleshooting are actually easy to use compared to the newer ?Manual of Photography?,
even though they?re mostly the same photo?s. Right now I?m fighting with some processing
issues with 8x10 and 11x14 film. Though if I was driving to Carmel, it wouldn?t be to
look at Ansel Adams prints, it would be to look at Edward Weston?s. His work for Walt
Whitman?s ?Leaves of Grass?, drives much of my efforts.
On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
And scan in colour, where it?s important!
> There exist some people who DISCARD materials
once they have been scanned.
> Some people object to calling that "preservation".
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote:
Aren?t these the same people that scan at such
poor quality that only the text is ?usable?, and illustrations are largely unusable?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two groups.
Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are adequate would care
about making them adequate.
Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for OCR. Certainly
Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those that most need quality
scanning. Case in point,
I?m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my favorite photography authors,
it?s on Google books, but the illustrations, which are vital to understanding what the
author is talking about, are largely useless.
Hmmm. 150 year old photography book would be just after civil war.
My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, when
publishers could do a good job of B&W plates, and the technology of 35mm was coming
along. (Morgan and Lester, etc.)
Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the Weston
Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it! Is there any way to penetrate the Google
infrastructure, to track down who scanned the book, and where it now is?
I think I?ve finally tracked down a copy. Part of the hold-up has been ensuring that I
don?t buy an older edition. There were at least 4 editions. It?s also *not* a cheap
book. Oddly enough, some of the techniques used in the book, seem better suited to Adobe
Photoshop. :-) H.P. Robinson was a man before his time!
Zane
15 Dec
15 Dec
12:27 a.m.
On 12/15/2018 12:54 AM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
Zane, your comments are appreciated.
I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and
they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks
(scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you
on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb
or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already
knows but me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online
I only found recently.
That still leaves Kilobaud scans.
I suppose there is money to be made if you can check
in your morals.
I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's
bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be
relieved from their dollars.
I better shower, so I can clean and EVIL.
Randy ________________________________
Ben.
12:42 a.m.
Kilobaud is also up on the Internet archive.
https://archive.org/details/kilobaudmagazine
Kilobaud Microcomputing Magazine - Internet
Archive<https://archive.org/details/kilobaudmagazine>
Kilobaud Microcomputing was a magazine dedicated to the computer homebrew hobbyists from
the end of the 1970s until the beginning of the 1980s. Wayne Green, the Publisher/Editor
of kilobaud, had been the publisher of BYTE magazine, (another influential microcomputer
magazine of the time) where he...
archive.org
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of ben via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 12:27 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
On 12/15/2018 12:54 AM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
Zane, your comments are appreciated.
I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and
they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks
(scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you
on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb
or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already
knows but me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online
I only found recently.
That still leaves Kilobaud scans.
I suppose there is money to be made if you can check
in your morals.
I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's
bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be
relieved from their dollars.
I better shower, so I can clean and EVIL.
Randy ________________________________
Ben.
10:14 a.m.
On Dec 14, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Randy Dawson
<rdawson16 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Zane, your comments are appreciated.
I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are OK for text,
but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom or increase the
resolution.
I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search.
I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already knows but
me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only found recently.
I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals. I see all this
(now) public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay
DVDs.
The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars.
Randy
Now you?re touching on something that really ticks me off, and I?ve seen it done using
Google Books, and others (the book I bought before I knew what was going on was done using
a Google Books scan). That?s the growing market on ?Print On Demand? books done using
these scans. Many of these books are still covered under the original copywrite. And of
course, there are the folks selling the CD?s and DVD?s on eBay.
The people offering ?reproductions" for sale in these fashions harm the community as
a whole.
It also makes it rather challenging to find original copies for sale, as you have to wade
through so many of these offerings.
Zane
7:57 a.m.
these? may already? be scanned and? out there.
?
we? have? ?hardcopy? and? ?what a? joy to? sit? and? ?just? look? though in? a? big? arm
chair....
?
If? you have? space....? ?always? great to have? them in? prit? as? the images? for?
displays? etc? ?are? better? ? ?than what usually is? out? ?compressed on the? net.? I?
have? found though internet? archive? ? has? ?some? jpeg2000 I think it is? ? ?pages? ?for
many things? that? are? pretty? sharp.
?
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In a message dated 12/14/2018 11:50:36 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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On 12/14/18 11:16 AM, John Klos via cctalk wrote:
Hi, all,
Hi John,
Does anyone know of any person or organization within
a reasonable
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?
Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers? I think one
or both of them will take things like this and scan them for
preservation and to share with other people.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
14 Dec
14 Dec
11:12 a.m.
Hi John,
If you have not gotten any takers, I will step up.
I am in Los Angeles (Thousand Oaks).
I see most if not all is online at internet achive an here:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Byte_Magazine.htm
I would rather have the physical magazine. Let me know what others you want to get rid of
(Kilobaud?)
Randy
BYTE MAGAZINE: Early computer
publication<https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Byte_Magazine.htm>
Byte magazine was an early microcomputer magazine, influential in the late 1970s and
throughout the 1980s because of its wide-ranging editorial coverage. Byte started in 1975,
shortly after the first personal computers appeared as kits which were advertised in the
back of electronics magazines.
www.americanradiohistory.com
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of John Klos via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 10:16 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Hi, all,
I have a collection of most of BYTE Magazine from the beginning through
about 1985. Instead of selling it on eBay, I'd rather find a home for it
where people can enjoy it. I also have a small collection of other
computer magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s which I'd like to
include.
Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?
Thanks!
John
--
I don't know which scares me more - that people adhere to the idea of an
omnipotent being powerful enough to create the universe, but whose
supposedly most cherished creation is a race modeled after himself which
can't stop hurting and killing each other, or the idea that those same
people cannot or will not consider the possibility that the universe is
random and unfeeling, and it's up to us to create order and beauty out of
chaos and entropy.
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