27 Oct
1998
27 Oct
'98
10:40 a.m.
Coming from someone with a 24-line signature, ragging other people about
appropriate mailing list behavior strikes me as just a bit hypocritical.
Every time 1 or 2 people make noise about "noise" on the list, Sam jumps on
his "This list needs a moderator and I'm the man for the job" soapbox and
everybody grumbles about leaving until he settles down; I don't really see
the point. Judging by the relatively small number of complaints, I'd have
to guess that most of the users (myself included) don't have a problem with
the way the list is operating. I typically read the mail from this list in
batches, as I have time; I use Forte Agent, and have a rule set up to sort
messages from "classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu" into a seperate folder, just
like I do the other mailing lists I'm on. That way, I don't have to wade
through list messages to find my personal e-mail. I guess I'm with Max - if
you want an encyclopedia, get one. I prefer to deal with my on-line friends
and neighbors as whole people, not chopped up according to arbitrary
criteria and stuffed into neat little pigeonholes just to keep a few
anal-retentive people happy...
If you want to talk about classic computing items posted to eBay, fine.
Z-80? That is absolutely on-topic. But, if you want to engage in a
seemingly endless public debate on the merits of the modern educational
system...I'm sorry. That simply is _not_ appropriate. Either is
gunsmithing, lathe building, snipers, or Star Trek theory.
When this list is functioning as it should, I find it to be an incredible
resource. I only hope it can continue to be that. Perhaps it is time to
elect a moderator...
Bill Richman
incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
27 Oct
27 Oct
2:48 p.m.
On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Bill Richman wrote:
Coming from someone with a 24-line signature, ragging
other people about
appropriate mailing list behavior strikes me as just a bit hypocritical.
Every time 1 or 2 people make noise about "noise" on the list, Sam jumps on
his "This list needs a moderator and I'm the man for the job" soapbox and
everybody grumbles about leaving until he settles down; I don't really see
Actually, I did no such thing. I simply posted the FAQ in response to
someone's (rightful) bitch that the list had gone sorely off-topic. Where
did you get this assanine notion that I've all of a sudden caused this
great stir you perceive? It seems to me that you're just fabricating
this one to cause a needless debate, just like you've done in the past.
Its assholes like you who take whatever opportunity you can to further
throw the list into disarray for your own selfish reasons. Why can't you
just shut up and let the noise die down instead of fanning the flames?
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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4:32 p.m.
On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:48:39 -0800 (PST), Sammy wrote:
Actually, I did no such thing. I simply posted the FAQ
in response to
someone's (rightful) bitch that the list had gone sorely off-topic. Where
did you get this assanine notion that I've all of a sudden caused this
great stir you perceive? It seems to me that you're just fabricating
Golly gosh, Sammy - I guess I got it from the last few times you've
stumbled down this particular path with me and the rest of the list.
this one to cause a needless debate, just like
you've done in the past.
Its assholes like you who take whatever opportunity you can to further
throw the list into disarray for your own selfish reasons. Why can't you
just shut up and let the noise die down instead of fanning the flames?
"Why can't I just shut up?" Fuck you, Sammy boy. With a rusty iron
pipe. _Anybody_ else can voice an opinion here, but for some reason
_you_ decided you don't _like_ me (what is it - did I neglect to kiss
your ass when I came in?), so as soon as I say a _word_, you find a
reason to end the discussion because it's "off-topic" (nevermind the 5
or 6 times you contributed to most of the threads in question before I
said anything), or you accuse me of "fanning the flames" when done
nothing but voice an opinion like everyone else has been. What total
and utter bullshit. You really need some Prozac, or a shrink to help
you work through those left-over potty-training issues from childhood.
(Or did you forget all the obscene, abusive, highly personal e-mails you
sent me the last time I forgot to agree with your opinion? I've got a
special folder that messages from you are filtered into - it's called
"Asshole". I had thought that you were done with the childish name
calling and personal attacks, but I guess not.) What would your public
think - the man who organized SamFest '98 (errr... excuse me... VCF) -
calling people assholes and telling them to shut up - all because they
voice an opinion about a list they have an interest in? Not very
attractive behavior, Sambo. Not very attractive at all.
-Bill Richman (bill_r(a)inetnebr.com)
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r - Home of the COSMAC Elf Microcomputer
Simulator, Fun with Molten Metal, Orphaned Robots, and Technological Oddities.)
7:40 p.m.
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Bill Richman wrote:
One Bill Richman, now officially permanently routed to /dev/null...
3:37 p.m.
Bill Richman wisely commented:
I guess I'm with Max - if
you want an encyclopedia, get one. I prefer to deal with my on-line friends
and neighbors as whole people, not chopped up according to arbitrary
criteria and stuffed into neat little pigeonholes just to keep a few
anal-retentive people happy...
My fellings, exactly. The list is just fine the way it is. Sure,
occasionally there's stuff posted that's somewhat off topic, but so what?
There's also a lot of on-topic stuff posted that's of interest to no more
than two or three people in the entire civilized world. So what? The list
is a grand forum and a valuable knowledge resource. It ain't broke, so
don't fuck with it.
R.
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3:58 p.m.
On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Rax wrote:
My feelings, exactly. The list is just fine the way it
is. Sure,
occasionally there's stuff posted that's somewhat off topic, but
so what?
Well - sometimes - like now - it gets REALLY off the track of discussing
classic computers and starts discussing business ethics of the last few
years of the 20th century or designing the greatest discrete processor of
the ages - both are pretty far off the beaten path....
There's also a lot of on-topic stuff posted
that's of interest to no
more than two or three people in the entire civilized world.
HEY! I resemble that remark!
So what? The list is a grand forum and a valuable
knowledge resource.
Aye that it is - why else would we be here?
It ain't broke, so don't fuck with it.
Finally - some Classic Computer content! 8-)
BC
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