23 Jan
2001
23 Jan
'01
3:07 p.m.
OK, I just found online and purchased the following books:
Programming with RT-11 Vol. 1 Program Development
by Clinch, Simon & Stephen Peters
Programming with RT-11. Vol. 2 Callable System
by Peters, Stephen, et al.
Working with RT-11
y Beaumont, David, et al.
Tailoring RT-11. System Management and Programming Facilitie
by Clinch, Simon, et al.
Now I'm wondering if there are any other books on RT-11 available (besides
the actual doc sets) and if these books were worth getting?
Zane
23 Jan
23 Jan
6:39 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
OK, I just found online and purchased the following
books:
Programming with RT-11 Vol. 1 Program Development
by Clinch, Simon & Stephen Peters
Programming with RT-11. Vol. 2 Callable System
by Peters, Stephen, et al.
Working with RT-11
y Beaumont, David, et al.
Tailoring RT-11. System Management and Programming Facilitie
by Clinch, Simon, et al.
Now I'm wondering if there are any other books on RT-11 available (besides
the actual doc sets) and if these books were worth getting?
I think that they're really quite good, so good that I've had them checked
out of the library for three years now. :-) They were published by
Digital Press in 83/84 and cover RT-11 5.0. They're a little on the basic
side (especially Working), but I found them shortly after I pulled my
first PDPs out of the dumpster and they were an invaluable introduction to
the DEC way of doing things.
I just did a search in OCLC, the big library union catalog, and it appears
that these are the only real books on RT-11, although I did stumble
accross some interesting looking theses and tech reports that I might have
to track down now. And has anybody ever seen "A tutorial for using the
TERAK/RT-11" by Robert L. Smith?
-- Brian
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8:39 p.m.
I think that they're really quite good, so good
that I've had them checked
out of the library for three years now. :-) They were published by
Digital Press in 83/84 and cover RT-11 5.0. They're a little on the basic
That's a relief (both that thier good, and that they're covering that new
of a version of RT-11)!
I just did a search in OCLC, the big library union
catalog, and it appears
that these are the only real books on RT-11, although I did stumble
OK, that jives with what I remember from something that was mentioned on
the list about three years ago. I was thinking that what I'd heard about
was all part of the same set though.
Zane
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24 Jan
24 Jan
9:31 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
>I think that they're really quite good, so good
that I've had them checked
>out of the library for three years now. :-) They were published by
>Digital Press in 83/84 and cover RT-11 5.0. They're a little on the basic
That's a relief (both that thier good, and that
they're covering that new
of a version of RT-11)!
Er, what is RT11? Any relation to TOPS-11?
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10:24 a.m.
Er, what is RT11? Any relation to TOPS-11?
What's TOPS-11? I'm guessing you mean TOPS-10 or TOPS-20. RT-11 is one of
the main OS's still being used on the PDP-11, along with RSX-11M, RSX-11M+
and from what I've seen to a decidedly lesser extent RSTS/E.
RT-11 is a Real Time Operating System, designed primarily as a single user
OS. Think MS-DOS (not DOS which seriously predates MS-DOS and ran on the
PDP-11) without directories[1], only 6.3 filenames, and with a 30MB partition
limit. While that description isn't very complementary it's a totally kick
a** OS, and a lot of fun. There are extensions that make it capable of
handling multiple users.
If you've got a UNIX machine, you can take RT-11 for a spin using Bob
Supnik's emulator (I'm looking for a MS-DOS executable of the emulator).
For the emulator and emulator disk images see:
http://www.tiac.net/users/mps/retro/
or for older versions of the emulator try:
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/
Zane
[1] While it doesn't have directories you can simulate them using Logical
Disks (a disk image).
10:40 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
RT11 was the DEC single user multitasking Real-Time OS.
It ran with or without memory management hardware in minimal machines.
(What's minimal -- I believe 12-16K Words of memory -- 24-32K Bytes!)
As far as I know there was no TOPS-11, just TOPS-10 and TOPS-20.
The closest thing to TOPS-10 or TOPS-20 on a PDP11 was probably
RSTS/E -- or IAS-11...
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>I think that they're really quite good, so
good that I've had them checked
>out of the library for three years now. :-) They were published by
>Digital Press in 83/84 and cover RT-11 5.0. They're a little on the basic
That's a relief (both that thier good, and
that they're covering that new
of a version of RT-11)!
Er, what is RT11? Any relation to TOPS-11? 
3:39 a.m.
At 12:39 AM 1/24/01 -0500, brian(a)sigh.mse.jhu.edu wrote:
And has anybody ever seen "A tutorial for using
the
TERAK/RT-11" by Robert L. Smith?
Terak? Did someone say Terak? I don't see that on my
list at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/terak/docs.html
but it may be in the unsorted piles in the basement,
uhm, I mean, the Computer Museum. Was it a publication
that only circulated at a particular university?
I have RT-11 for the Terak, but only DEC docs and
perhaps an addendum for the Terakisms.
- John
2:29 p.m.
--On Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:39 AM -0600 John Foust
<jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote:
At 12:39 AM 1/24/01 -0500, brian(a)sigh.mse.jhu.edu
wrote:
It was published by Kendall/Hunt, a textbook publisher. Here's a catalog
record for it:
Personal Author: Smith, Robert L.
Title: A tutorial for using the TERAK/RT-11 / Robert L.
Smith.
Edition: Prelim. ed.
Publication info: Dubuque, Iowa : Kendall/Hunt, c1982.
Physical descrip: 128 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.
Subject: RT-11 (Computer operating system)
Subject: TERAK (Computer)--Programming.
I'm going to go ahead and request it through interlibrary loan. I'll let
folks know if I actually get copy.
-- Brian
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Digital Knowledge Center
The Johns Hopkins University
brian(a)sigh.mse.jhu.edu
And has anybody ever seen "A tutorial for
using the
TERAK/RT-11" by Robert L. Smith?
Terak? Did someone say Terak? I don't see that on my
list at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/terak/docs.html
but it may be in the unsorted piles in the basement,
uhm, I mean, the Computer Museum. Was it a publication
that only circulated at a particular university?
I have RT-11 for the Terak, but only DEC docs and
perhaps an addendum for the Terakisms.
25 Jan
25 Jan
12:40 p.m.
At 08:29 PM 1/24/01 -0500, you wrote:
Personal Author: Smith, Robert L.
Title: A tutorial for using the TERAK/RT-11 / Robert L.
Smith.
Edition: Prelim. ed.
Publication info: Dubuque, Iowa : Kendall/Hunt, c1982.
Physical descrip: 128 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.
Subject: RT-11 (Computer operating system)
Subject: TERAK (Computer)--Programming.
A "preliminary edition"? Hmm. And there's a Robert (M.?) Smith
credited in the PDP-11 FAQ at rmsmith(a)csc.com.
- John
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