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From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: followup: Rinky dink hamfest
At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
and real computers don't need more than
64K...
Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly.
I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
stuff.
> At least 3 word processing packages were avialable
>plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
>XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
>if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
>my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
>that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
>programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
>
>There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen
it.
>The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is
very like the NEC
APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
Joe
>
>On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
>
>> Merle,
>>
>> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
>> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the
earliest
>> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with
a DEM-II expansion case housing
>> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
>> >MS-DOS.
>>
>> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
>> got in this load.
>>
>> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
>>
>> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
>> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
>>
>> One problem is that
>> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the
machines
>> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II
is a far better and more usable
>> >machine.
>>
>> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did
the
>> 820-II have?
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>> Joe
>>
>> >
>> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
>> >
>> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at
yesterday's
> >>
hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
that he
> >> threw out three rooms full of old
XEROX computers less than a year
ago. :-(
>> >> He gave me part of the stuff that he had left, I have to take a
Truck
>> >> (note capital) back to get the rest
(estimated at two cubic yards but
no
>> >> complete machines). So far I've
found lots of docs and 8" flopppy
disks
> >>
for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
opinion of
> >> them?
> >>
> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
5.25" and
>> >> 8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of
these
is
> worth with
the alignment disks and manuals?
>
> Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
>
> Joe
>
>
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid