27 Feb
2018
27 Feb
'18
5:39 a.m.
Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any
thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
Thanks,
Kyle
27 Feb
27 Feb
5:44 a.m.
I guess the first thing you need is my address....
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter
for shipping? Any
thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
Thanks,
Kyle
5:53 a.m.
If you can guarantee nothing will end up placed on top, it should be fine
strapped to a pallet. One thought would be to remove the feet and use the
bolt holes to attach it to a square of plywood, then screw that to the
pallet. Cinching a strap down over the top of it would probably not end
well. Next I'd wrap the thing in lots of cling wrap in every direction:
Keeps the carriage from moving, the cover from popping off, and should
prevent the loss of any loose keycaps. If it still has the paper roll
holder on the back, this should help keep it in place. Feet can be bagged
and put in the type basket.
I had a 90 pound microwave shipped to me once via FedEx Freight on a
quarter? size pallet. A little googling, it looks like the US "beverage"
pallet is 36x36. Might be a good size for this.
Depending on the circumstances, a 'gentler' door to door private party
carrier could be a good alternative (at roughly the same cost). -C
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter
for shipping? Any
thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
Thanks,
Kyle
9:29 a.m.
I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air Freight ( it went by surface ). An
open pallet will not have things intentionally stacked on it. It is possible to have
something dropped on it or a forklift tine rammed through it but that is another issue.
In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door ( I have no loading
dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their distribution center ( about a 25 mile drive
).
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Cory Heisterkamp via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:53:19 AM
To: Kyle Owen; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter
If you can guarantee nothing will end up placed on top, it should be fine
strapped to a pallet. One thought would be to remove the feet and use the
bolt holes to attach it to a square of plywood, then screw that to the
pallet. Cinching a strap down over the top of it would probably not end
well. Next I'd wrap the thing in lots of cling wrap in every direction:
Keeps the carriage from moving, the cover from popping off, and should
prevent the loss of any loose keycaps. If it still has the paper roll
holder on the back, this should help keep it in place. Feet can be bagged
and put in the type basket.
I had a 90 pound microwave shipped to me once via FedEx Freight on a
quarter? size pallet. A little googling, it looks like the US "beverage"
pallet is 36x36. Might be a good size for this.
Depending on the circumstances, a 'gentler' door to door private party
carrier could be a good alternative (at roughly the same cost). -C
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter
for shipping? Any
thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
Thanks,
Kyle
9:46 a.m.
Living in the dockless zone....
?
Generally?if they ?deliver ?to ? your non dock ?with a ?lift gate truck the ?price of
delivery does?up ?$40 ?to $100 .... A ?while ?back recently has ?3 ?tabletop ?model 14 ...
5 level teletype ?western union teletype ?tape keyboard print on tape machines ?shipped in
strapped ?to ?palate? ... ?2 for ?an upcoming? display ?on how the deaf ?re
purposed??teletypes to ?their ?network ( always looking ?for ANYTHING ?ELSE ON THIS
?TOPIC) and ?one to go in the tools of the journalist ?display ?over at the university.
?
The nice? people at the freight ?place helped us ?load them in one of our ?vehicles...
no ?extra ?charge and ?they are ?strong!
?
?
reminder... always ?carry ?plastic ?sheeting in case things have ?grease and oil... and
?be ?sure?to have blankets? and cardboard sheeting to prevent scratching inside??vehicle.
?
Ed# ?www.smec.org
?
?
In a message dated 2/27/2018 10:29:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air Freight ( it went by surface ). An
open pallet will not have things intentionally stacked on it. It is possible to have
something dropped on it or a forklift tine rammed through it but that is another issue.
In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door ( I have no loading
dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their distribution center ( about a 25 mile drive
).
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Cory Heisterkamp via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:53:19 AM
To: Kyle Owen; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter
If you can guarantee nothing will end up placed on top, it should be fine
strapped to a pallet. One thought would be to remove the feet and use the
bolt holes to attach it to a square of plywood, then screw that to the
pallet. Cinching a strap down over the top of it would probably not end
well. Next I'd wrap the thing in lots of cling wrap in every direction:
Keeps the carriage from moving, the cover from popping off, and should
prevent the loss of any loose keycaps. If it still has the paper roll
holder on the back, this should help keep it in place. Feet can be bagged
and put in the type basket.
I had a 90 pound microwave shipped to me once via FedEx Freight on a
quarter? size pallet. A little googling, it looks like the US "beverage"
pallet is 36x36. Might be a good size for this.
Depending on the circumstances, a 'gentler' door to door private party
carrier could be a good alternative (at roughly the same cost). -C
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter
for shipping? Any
thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
Thanks,
Kyle
10:23 a.m.
On 02/27/2018 09:29 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote:
I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air
Freight ( it went
by surface ). An open pallet will not have things intentionally
stacked on it. It is possible to have something dropped on it or a
forklift tine rammed through it but that is another issue.
In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door (
I have no loading dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their
distribution center ( about a 25 mile drive ).
In my case, I simply used the local packaging franchise, Pak Mail.
Since they routinely load pallets, they didn't mind receiving one. Cost
me all of $5 for a warehouse fee--and they even helped load it into my
truck.
When I got it home, that's where the neighbor and six-pack came in handy.
--Chuck
11:10 a.m.
New subject: Shipping
A preliminary list:
Wrist computer (Epson RC-20, Fossil PalmOS): wear it.
PDA: put it in a pocket.
Tablet: a large pocket or a briefcase
Notebook: under your arm or a briefcase
Laptop: briefcase or suitcase, public transit
Microcomputer: box, car
Small minicomputer: crate, hand truck, a friend with a pickup truck
Medium minicomputer: built-in casters, refrigerator dolly, a van
Large minicomputer: pallets, forklift, liftgate truck, neighbors and beer
Mainframe: pack up and move to where the computer is.
There are exceptions to each category, such as "desktop" computers too
heavy to put on flimsy modern desks, minis that won't fit through
doorways, and you might already live in a mainframe. Although a Cray
couch doesn't look very comfortable for sleeping on.
11:32 a.m.
New subject: Shipping
I have been thinking about building a Cray 1 cabinet replica for use as
storage and seating in my office/machine room, so I looked at the one at
the LCM very closely during VCF PNW. They don't have much padding on the
cushions.
alan
On 2/27/18 11:10 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
There are exceptions to each category, such as "desktop" computers too
heavy to put on flimsy modern desks, minis that won't fit through
doorways, and you might already live in a mainframe. Although a Cray
couch doesn't look very comfortable for sleeping on.
11:23 a.m.
The more quotes I get regarding shipping, the more I'm thinking to just
drive the 1300 miles (one way) and pick it up myself. I'd rather nothing
bad happen to it, as insurance money can't replace the unit (easily).
Any recommendations on finding a private carrier? It's in Colorado.
Kyle
11:37 a.m.
In my ?case ?lady ?worked at a ?warehouse and had ?her ?people??palate and strap the ?3
ttys! ?saved $$ ? Pack mail?is ?great though ?to ?pack stuff if no other free reliable
?option is there. ? We have ?to ?ship a ?large ?group of ?computer?front panels ?across
?country ?and ?they handled it ? really ?well.?
?
Pack Mail ?ships alot of ?stuff ?form many auction places too.
?
Ed# www.smecc.org?
?
In a message dated 2/27/2018 11:23:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
On 02/27/2018 09:29 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote:
I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air
Freight ( it went
by surface ). An open pallet will not have things intentionally
stacked on it. It is possible to have something dropped on it or a
forklift tine rammed through it but that is another issue.
In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door (
I have no loading dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their
distribution center ( about a 25 mile drive ).
In my case, I simply used the local packaging franchise, Pak Mail.
Since they routinely load pallets, they didn't mind receiving one. Cost
me all of $5 for a warehouse fee--and they even helped load it into my
truck.
When I got it home, that's where the neighbor and six-pack came in handy.
--Chuck
12:12 p.m.
On 02/27/2018 11:37 AM, Ed Sharpe wrote:
*In my ?case ?lady ?worked at a ?warehouse and had
?her ?people??palate
and strap the ?3 ttys! ?saved $$ ? Pack mail?is ?great though ?to ?pack
stuff if no other free reliable ?option is there. ? We have ?to ?ship a
?large ?group of ?computer?front panels ?across ?country ?and ?they
handled it ? really ?well.
*
*Pack Mail ?ships alot of ?stuff ?form many auction places too.*
I've used *Pak Mail* several times for very large delicate items and
never have been disappointed. Choose your store location, though--some
do not handle large things.
One consideration is that they have contracts with the freight companies
and can often price shipping + packing for less than you'd get charged
for a single LTL shipment from a freight company.
Have them ship it to another Pak Mail location, so you can pick it up,
sans pallet.
Craters and Freighters is another good operation, though they tend to
operate on the East Coast.
--Chuck
1 Mar
1 Mar
12:38 p.m.
+1 on Pak Mail too.
Marc
On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 02/27/2018 11:37 AM, Ed Sharpe wrote:
*In my case lady worked at a warehouse and had her people palate
and strap the 3 ttys! saved $$ Pack mail is great though to pack
stuff if no other free reliable option is there. We have to ship a
large group of computer front panels across country and they
handled it really well.
*
*Pack Mail ships alot of stuff form many auction places too.*
I've used *Pak Mail* several times for very large delicate items and
never have been disappointed. Choose your store location, though--some
do not handle large things.
One consideration is that they have contracts with the freight companies
and can often price shipping + packing for less than you'd get charged
for a single LTL shipment from a freight company.
Have them ship it to another Pak Mail location, so you can pick it up,
sans pallet.
Craters and Freighters is another good operation, though they tend to
operate on the East Coast.
--Chuck
2 Mar
2 Mar
4:59 a.m.
+2 for Pak Mail. I used their Plainview TX franchise, last year, to
send an AS/400e, with expansion chassis, all the way from Texas to
Canada.
They came and collected it (a 250 mile round trip), built a crate for
it and sent it LTL freight. The recipient was happy.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Curious Marc via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
+1 on Pak Mail too.
Marc
> On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
>
>> On 02/27/2018 11:37 AM, Ed Sharpe wrote:
>> *In my case lady worked at a warehouse and had her people palate
>> and strap the 3 ttys! saved $$ Pack mail is great though to pack
>> stuff if no other free reliable option is there. We have to ship a
>> large group of computer front panels across country and they
>> handled it really well.
>> *
>>
>> *Pack Mail ships alot of stuff form many auction places too.*
>
> I've used *Pak Mail* several times for very large delicate items and
> never have been disappointed. Choose your store location, though--some
> do not handle large things.
>
> One consideration is that they have contracts with the freight companies
> and can often price shipping + packing for less than you'd get charged
> for a single LTL shipment from a freight company.
>
> Have them ship it to another Pak Mail location, so you can pick it up,
> sans pallet.
>
> Craters and Freighters is another good operation, though they tend to
> operate on the East Coast.
>
> --Chuck
>
21 Mar
21 Mar
10:55 a.m.
I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.
Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480
Looking forward to getting it going!
Thanks for the suggestions,
Kyle
11 a.m.
I have used PakMail before, no complaints
-pete
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I ended up going with PakMail and was not
disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.
Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480
Looking forward to getting it going!
Thanks for the suggestions,
Kyle
11:31 a.m.
Kyle, Really nice ?with the matching ?desk!
Lookin good!
?
Ed# - www.smecc.org?
?
In a message dated 3/21/2018 10:55:36 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.
Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480
Looking forward to getting it going!
Thanks for the suggestions,
Kyle
22 Mar
22 Mar
11:33 p.m.
Wow! Complete with the matching desk and in perfect cosmetic condition. What a find.
Congratulations!
Marc
On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.
Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480
Looking forward to getting it going!
Thanks for the suggestions,
Kyle
23 Mar
23 Mar
10:43 a.m.
Thank you for the compliments! I'm looking forward to getting it going.
Any idea what the model (FIO) indicates?
Trying to locate some repair manuals and tips. Anything else I should look
for other than what's on Bitsavers?
The unit powers up and types with a few keys slow to act or return.
Carriage return doesn't latch when it gets to the left margin. Column 4 of
the punch is stuck on. Reader seems to work fine.
Thanks,
Kyle
3:37 p.m.
Kyle, my Friden is a Model SFD-V, although yours looks similar, apparently it is
different. You will find that a lot of the old lube has combined with dust and dirt to
make gummy grime. This sticky stuff will cause the relays and lever arms to stick and act
sluggishly. I have found that a strip of paper pinched between the relay armature and pole
piece then pulled out while pinching will remove a lot of it. So clean and oil, clean and
oil. I have found a bunch of stuff on bitsavers and also had some help from the guys on
GreenKeys. Good luck. Let me know if I can help.
?Mike Zahorik (414) 254-6768
From: Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter
Thank you for the compliments! I'm looking forward to getting it going.
Any idea what the model (FIO) indicates?
Trying to locate some repair manuals and tips. Anything else I should look
for other than what's on Bitsavers?
The unit powers up and types with a few keys slow to act or return.
Carriage return doesn't latch when it gets to the left margin. Column 4 of
the punch is stuck on. Reader seems to work fine.
Thanks,
Kyle
24 Mar
24 Mar
5:49 a.m.
On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Thank you for the compliments! I'm looking forward to getting it going.
Any idea what the model (FIO) indicates?
I don't know that specific designation and I can't find my reference. But I do
know that Friden would make custom variations of the Flexowriter, for example with
different characters on the type bars and other features.
An example is the Flexowriters used at labs and universities (MC and THE, for example) in
Holland for ALGOL programming. Those had _ and | characters that did not advance the
carriage, for making keywords (underlined words) and characters like not-equal. They also
had a "stop on semicolon" feature on the tape duplication mechanism, so you
could edit your programs by copying tape and stopping on a statement boundary. I saw that
model code a few months ago.
paul
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