From: jwest at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: RE: FYI gmane cctalk group Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:34:03 -0500 That means they are copying the list without permission. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:22 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: FYI gmane cctalk group cctalk at classiccmp.org http://article.gmane.org/gmane.announce/23246/match=gmane+comp+hardware+vint age ago) What does " This newsgroup corresponds to the cctalk mailing list."mean?Dwight =

This about screen pretty much sums it up. http://gmane.org/about.php ----------------- Free software is mainly developed on mailing lists. Mailing lists have many advantages over other forms of communication, but they have two weaknesses: It's difficult to follow discussions in a sensible way, and mailing list archives (when they exist) have a tendency to disappear over time. Severalmailing list archives <http://gmane.org/links.php>exist, but these are all hidden under a web interface. Reading mail that way is not convenient. Reading mail as if it were news is convenient. This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post or not. In addition, Gmane doesspam detection <http://gmane.org/filter.php>,cross-post handling <http://gmane.org/cross.php>, has aTMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding service <http://gmane.org/tmda.php>, aweb interface <http://news.gmane.org/>, respectsX-No-Archive <http://gmane.org/expiry.php>, suppliesRSS feeds <http://gmane.org/rss.php>, usesSPF <http://spf.pobox.com/>, gatherstraffic statistics <http://gmane.org/charts.php>, and has a real-time indexingsearch engine <http://search.gmane.org/>. Not all mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post, and some are moderated. Gmane requires that users post to Gmane groups using a valid e-mail address, and requires a one-timeauthorization <http://gmane.org/post.php>per group. To read the mailing lists stored in Gmane, point your news reader tonews.gmane.org <nntp://news.gmane.org>. To get a new mailing list added,use the subscription form <http://gmane.org/subscribe.php>. Almost any mailing list can be added. Just includesubscription information <http://gmane.org/add.php>. Mailing list archives can beimported <http://gmane.org/import.php>into Gmane. Discussion about the Gmane hierarchy takes place on thegmane.discuss <nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.discuss>newsgroup. At present, the Gmane hierarchy is heavily dominated by computer-related mailing lists, which reflects the interests of the initial user base. However, Gmane is not meant to be a service exclusively for IT people. Feel free to suggest non-computer-related mailing lists. To get in touch with the Gmane administrators, send a mail toLars Magne Ingebrigtsen <http://gmane.org/contact.php>. Gmane has been in full operation since February 11th 2002, after a one month test period. And the "g" in "Gmane" is silent. Background I've tried to gather some thoughts on Gmane here. It's been running now for almost half a year, and it's about time to summarize the experience somewhat. My main reason for setting up Gmane in the first place was my annoyance with the concept of mailing lists. I've always preferred newsgroups -- they have a nice interface; they can be archived in a convenient format; and they can be searched (via DejaNews/Google). Mailing lists have a lousy interface, and if they have an archive at all, it's always hidden behind some web-based monstrosity. And they never allow searching. So I started Gmane, and gathered the mailing lists I was vaguely interested in. Many, many other lists were requested by other users and added by me and the other Gmane administrators. There's now more than two thousand lists here. If I'm looking for discussion on any given topic (for instance -- buffer overflows in the libc resolver library), I just have my news reader display all the Gmane groups, and, more often than not, all the relevant mailing lists are already there, and I find what I'm looking for. ------------------------ Makes sense to me :-) Doug On 25/08/2015 1:20 PM, dwight wrote:

On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:45 AM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote: Archive.org was supposed to host these, so the archival is good w/o gmane. However in googleing and verifying about that, I ran across something called archive-org.com which is hosted by a "private" registration of some sort, so I don't know if it has a damn thing to do with archive.org or not. It has this list on it already. And wants me to register to get an account for access. If it is a virus bait site for these well meaning "free" archives, that is precisely why there needs to be authorized archives and not just anyone who feels like it.