There's something worse -- it's called Netscape mail. We were just forced to start using it (or, alternatively, the even worse AOL Mail) at work "because we own it." Completely unconfigurable. Am I missing something, but aren't OE and Netscape freeware too? -W

AOL Well to be honest, before Netscape mail, I was using Outlook (not OE) at work. No problems for 2 years straight -- never down. In fact, I had never even heard the term "kicked off" until I started using Netscape last month. Now I'm "kicked off" four of five times a day. But that's ok, because when it happens, I know who is to blame, especially in the late afternoon when I'm restarting Netscape Mail for the 4th or 5th time, because then I think about everything that Netscape Mail could be, but isn't, because of all those anticompetitive things that MS did, I mean, everyone know's it's all MS's fault. I wasn't born yesterday and I'm not fooled at all by Outlook, even if it was up 24 hours a day for two years running, and allowed me to put the sender column on the far left (where it should be). That's no reason to use it, or even tolerate it, and thankfully I don't have that option any more. I'm not suffering, I'm liberated. (I'm also wasting about 20 minutes a day.)

My combo as well. I've used Eudora on anything that would run it for years, including at times on my Amiga running Shapeshifter and Mac OS 7.1. The BETA for OS X works pretty well too. Opera works great...still the occasional glitch on some sites, but pretty compatible. It's also much more stable than Netscape and it doesn't get stuck and stall like Netscape does when you abort a page and then move on to another. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

Jerome Fine replies: I started with Netscape V4.03 (what I am using right now) about 4 years ago. It is a bit outdated, but has a few features. When I upgrade to a newer system (hopefully within a week or two), I will be using Netscape V4.78 - how do you turn off automatic advertising downloads? When I bring up Netscape Mail for the first time during any session, before I can click on a given e-mail in the InBox, the adds start all by themselves - can that be configured as well - to be OFF? Also, I have many old e-mails saved and posts from news groups. Can those be easily saved and moved to my "newer" system? Right now, when I move to the newer system and upgrade to V4.78, I have tested what needs to be done. I just have to move all the files in the MAIL directory over to the MAIL directory in the new system - trivial - I hope!!!!

"David C. Jenner" wrote: That's what my artificial brain (my Psion 3mx) remembers. You either do the above or (if you're desperate ;-) user_pref("mailnews.start_page.enabled", true); user_pref("mailnews.start_page.url", "http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm"); Remember to close all Netscape windows and make sure the Netscape process has terminated (can take up to about 30 seconds, especially if Java applets are running - I use to check using Task Manager) before editing the file. -- Andreas Freiherr Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany http://www.vishay.com

Do a "File>>Compact Folders". My Inbox is mucho years old and it is currently 37 KILObytes in size. Dave Marvin Johnston wrote: -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

Uh OE and Netscape are freebies too - you get OE with the OS and Nutscrape just by downloading it. You can make either of them do text as well. I really can't believe that anyone that uses the net these days on an older machine cares - most anything is HTML, Java, Perl, etc and then Flash must totally blast the old machines. I use a fairly modern machine for internet work, only tinker with the old ones on the net. The days of the ASCII/ANSI BBS's has pretty well passed except for the diehards that keep theirs up for local hangouts. => -----Original Message----- => From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org => [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Sellam Ismail => Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:52 AM => To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org => Subject: OT: HTML in EMAIL => => => On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, D Peksa wrote: => => > Sorry about the HTML - I have now discovered a difference between => > Pegasus mail V3 and Pegasus mail v4 - V3 worked properly, V4 puts => > ****ing HTML everywhere ****ing where. => => No it doesn't, so don't blame Pegasus. I use Pegasus V4 as => well, upgraded => from V3. You had to have turned on HTML in e-mail for it to do => that...don't try to scapegoat Pegasus. => => Everyone who uses Outhouse Express should immediately go to the Pegasus => website and download a copy of Pegasus which is FREEWARE and about 1000 => times better than that horrid piece of shit that Microscoff passes off as => software. => => http://www.pmail.com => => Sellam Ismail Vintage => Computer Festival => ----------------------------------------------------------------- => ------------- => International Man of Intrigue and Danger => http://www.vintage.org => => * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *